Doctrine of Unconditional Election

[Red Baker]

Firstly, faith is not the gift referenced in Eph 2:8-9; salvation is the gift. Faith is the conduit, or the path, or the method of transmitting that salvation to us. It is through faith that we receive the gift (grace) of salvation.

Doug, do you know what a metonymy is? It is the substitution of the name of an attribute or adjunct for that of the thing meant.

In Ephesians 2:8 we have a classic example of an metonymy. The only faith that saves us legally is the faith of Christ, for no man can have faith in God, the faith that meets the requirement of a Royal law, a faith that is produce by perfect obedience to its laws! Jesus Christ alone had the faith that honoured God's law in all points, from conception, to death, in thoughts, words, and deeds ~ and this faith alone is the means of man's free justification. This faith is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God secured for God's elect by our surety, Jesus Christ. This faith is given to us in regeneration when the Spirit of God creates a new man within us after the image of his Son, Jesus Christ.

When a man hears and believes, it is not the old man (for that is impossible) but his new man that is a creative work in God's elect by the almighty power of God~this birth happens to a child of God sometimes after conception and before death, and is evidenced by faith and obedience to the word of God. Two prime examples of this is John the the Baptist and the thief on the cross.

I could spend more time proving the metonymy in Ephesians 2:8 by the context in just before verse 8, in verses: 4-6..."But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

We were IN CHRIST from all eternity, even while he lived in this world and in his death and resurrection, which secured our redemption for us. What he did, it was as though we did it, what happen to Christ happened to us legally speaking two thousand years ago. That faith which Paul said was not of ourselves is because it was Jesus' faith acting as our surety that secured this gift for us! This is the true meaning of Ephesians 2:8,9.

I'll come back and address the rest of your post shortly.

 

[Rockson]

Not going to keep repeating myself to you, so this will be short.

That's OK . You don' t have to keep repeating yourself.

Yes regeneration by definition is the impartation of life, no disagreement here.

OK we're at first base here. Let's see if we can get you home.

But what you fail to see, or at least confess, is that there is no seeing, hearing and or any activity (spiritual) whatsoever until this life is imparted!

Don't run to second base on that. You don't have enough to get you there! Now it's time for you to cease lamenting that others can't see things and open your eyes yourself. John 20:31 is something you need to look at,

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

OK so believing and then LIFE.

Not LIFE.....then believing!

Yeah I know you don't like that. You want to add something the scripture never stated and then make an assertion people don't see your assertion as being valid you want to impose. Why should they? They have the scriptures. No need to try to improve them either. Just leave them alone! It's believing....and then LIFE. It's believing .....THEN LIFE, and NOT before.

 

[brightfame52]

Is there a corporate election ?

Yes it is, the totality of the Body of Christ, men and women chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4, all chosen together at the same time. For the word corporate simply means:

of, for, or belonging to a corporation or corporations:a corporate executive;She considers the new federal subsidy just corporate welfare.
forming a corporation.
pertaining to a united group, as of persons :the corporate good.
united or combined into one. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/corporate

This corporate election is signified here in Ps 139 :16

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

All my members is a corporate idea in union to one body.

Also 1 Cor 12:12

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

However a many membered corporation is composed of specific individuals, one member each 1 Cor 12:18

But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

So we cant talk about an corporate election without discussing and including an Individual election. When the members names are written in the book, it was one members name at a time Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Lk 10:20

Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Now individual election refers to God's unconditionally choosing in eternity past specific individuals to receive saving grace both in eternity and in time 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose[election] and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 5

 

[brightfame52]

You're taking Exodus 33:19 totally out of context. The additional information in both the Old and the New testament (that you ignored) is that God tells us who He will be gracious to, and who He will have compassion on: The seed of Abraham, which is the body of Christ, the remnant of Israel, both Jew and Gentile, those who have repented and put their faith in God, as Abraham did. Those are conditions and only those who meet those conditions are the elect of God.

Galatians 3:29 "And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise."

Deuteronomy 10:14-15: "Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it. Yet on your fathers did the Lord set His affection to love them, and He chose their descendants (literally "seed") after them, even you above all peoples, as it is this day."

Who did God choose (or elect)? The seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, all those of us who have the faith of Abraham, both Jew and Gentile. We are the elect. To define the elect any other way is anti-Bible, both in the Old and the New Testament.

No its not out of context, Its about Gods prerogative, never out of context..

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry it is nowhere stated salvation, righteousness, is unconditional. You assume it

Romans 9 shows God determines who he will choose as his servants and that Salvation, righteousness, he chose to be by faith

It is not by national origin or works

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !

 

[TomL]

Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !

Sorry you conflate the selection of a peoples who he could fulfill his promise to Abraham with individual salvation

Salvation is not according to bloodline Rom 6-8

and it is not according to works Rom 9-13

it is by faith

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900)
30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

 

[TomL]

Not going to keep repeating myself to you, so this will be short.

Yes regeneration by definition is the impartation of life, no disagreement here. But what you fail to see, or at least confess, is that there is no seeing, hearing and or any activity (spiritual) whatsoever until this life is imparted!

So, if one rejects this truth, then in essence they also reject the definition of regeneration. As you guys would say, this is class 101 in biblical definitions.......maybe you need to take this class~or, retake it, you are missing an important truth.

Sorry that is a claim which is contrary to scripture And you failed to rebut this

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance

Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry you conflate the selection of a peoples who he could fulfill his promise to Abraham with individual salvation

Salvation is not according to bloodline Rom 6-8

and it is not according to works Rom 9-13

it is by faith

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900)
30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !

 

[Red Baker]

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

OK so believing and then LIFE.

Not LIFE.....then believing!

Yeah I know you don't like that. You want to add something the scripture never stated and then make an assertion people don't see your assertion as being valid you want to impose. Why should they? They have the scriptures. No need to try to improve them either. Just leave them alone! It's believing....and then LIFE. It's believing .....THEN LIFE, and NOT before.

Greetings Rockson and good morning~Oh I love John 20:31 written by John given by the Holy Ghost.

First, the word of God is given to God's elect by holy men of God who were moved the The Holy Ghost. The scriptures gives to us God's testimony concerning many spiritual truth, which apart from the scriptures neither you or myself would ever have the slightest clue of the true knowledge of God, and his eternal purposes which he purposed in Himself and for his glory and honour.

John 20:31~But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. I'll give the only sense that we must apply to John 20:31 that will flow with all scriptures.

What is written is written that we might believe that Jesus is the Christ~this is the means God has purposed to use to give to his children faith in Jesus Christ, the power to have this faith is also given to us by the new man created within each and every child of God. By believing, God's children might have (all do not have the same measure of faith, for many factors come into play as to why some believe more, others less) the KNOWLEDGE OF eternal life that we have through the name of Jesus Christ~not through our personal believing.

So by practicing Nehemiah 8:8~"So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading." We understand John 20:31 to say this: "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have (the knowledge of) life through his name.

Rockson, this is the only reason why we have the written word of God, for us to receive God witness of many spiritual truth~one being how we as sinners come to be children of God, and what is our future ahead of this present life, etc. etc. We receive KNOWLEDGE of such blessed truth by believing. But, we also are remained over and over again~Matthew 16:17~And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[brightfame52]

@Rockson

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Thats directed to Jesus Sheep[elect] who have been regenerated, He had stated about them earlier why He came for them Jn 10:7-10

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Has nothing to do with the non elect , only Christs Sheep, and when they are brought to believe, they do begin to experience the life they already have.

 

[Doug Brents]

Doug, do you know what a metonymy is? It is the substitution of the name of an attribute or adjunct for that of the thing meant.

In Ephesians 2:8 we have a classic example of an metonymy. The only faith that saves us legally is the faith of Christ, for no man can have faith in God, the faith that meets the requirement of a Royal law, a faith that is produce by perfect obedience to its laws! Jesus Christ alone had the faith that honoured God's law in all points, from conception, to death, in thoughts, words, and deeds ~ and this faith alone is the means of man's free justification. This faith is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God secured for God's elect by our surety, Jesus Christ. This faith is given to us in regeneration when the Spirit of God creates a new man within us after the image of his Son, Jesus Christ.

Faith may indeed be one of the fruits of the Spirit (although I believe the better translation is faithfulness, not faith), but faith is not the gift of God referenced in Eph 2:8. The gift there is salvation itself. And that gift comes THROUGH our faith. Yes, we are saved by Jesus who had the only perfect, complete, sinless life that has ever been lived. But, it is our faith in that perfect life through which we receive God's gift of salvation.

When a man hears and believes, it is not the old man (for that is impossible) but his new man that is a creative work in God's elect by the almighty power of God~this birth happens to a child of God sometimes after conception and before death, and is evidenced by faith and obedience to the word of God. Two prime examples of this is John the the Baptist and the thief on the cross.

Neither John nor the thief were ever subject to the New Covenant. As Jesus Himself said, "Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." (Matt 11:11) You are putting the cart before the horse. A person is not made into a new man until he has heard the Gospel, and obeyed it. According to you, a person is made new and then he confesses Jesus as Lord. But that is not what Scripture says. According to you, a person is made new and then is baptized into Christ, but that is not what Scripture says.

I could spend more time proving the metonymy in Ephesians 2:8 by the context in just before verse 8, in verses: 4-6..."But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

We were IN CHRIST from all eternity, even while he lived in this world and in his death and resurrection, which secured our redemption for us. What he did, it was as though we did it, what happen to Christ happened to us legally speaking two thousand years ago. That faith which Paul said was not of ourselves is because it was Jesus' faith acting as our surety that secured this gift for us! This is the true meaning of Ephesians 2:8,9.

If any person who is saved was ever "dead in their sins" (and all men are at one point dead in their sins), then they were not "in Christ from all eternity", because the "dead in their sins" cannot be "in Christ" also at the same time. These are polar opposites and cannot be in the same person at the same time; they are also the only two states in which man can exist.

 

[brightfame52]

@Doug Brents

Faith may indeed be one of the fruits of the Spirit (although I believe the better translation is faithfulness, not faith), but faith is not the gift of God referenced in Eph 2:8. The gift there is salvation itself

Faith is the Gift of God, it says so right here Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

The word that τοῦτο neuter encompasses the whole phrase, Salvation is of Grace, Faith is of Grace, Gift is of Grace, hence no part of the saving process is of ourselves, thats the whole point.

Yet you and others totally disregard the text and adamantly say Faith is of ourselves.

Now if faith in the salvific process was of ourselves, then quite frankly that is a reason to boast !

 

[Doug Brents]

@Doug Brents



Faith is the Gift of God, it says so right here Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

The word that τοῦτο neuter encompasses the whole phrase, Salvation is of Grace, Faith is of Grace, Gift is of Grace, hence no part of the saving process is of ourselves, thats the whole point.

Yet you and others totally disregard the text and adamantly say Faith is of ourselves.

Now if faith in the salvific process was of ourselves, then quite frankly that is a reason to boast !

Faith is not the object of the latter half of that verse. "And that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God" refers back only to salvation. Salvation is the gift of God. Our faith is in Christ, and that is found in us through Hearing the Gospel. But our faith is not of ourselves. "Faith comes from hearing the Word of God." So one must first hear the Word (the Gospel) in order to have faith. Then faith (belief and action) based on what the Gospel says is what is counted as righteousness to us. And this is nothing to boast about. A servant has no right to glory in doing what his master commands. It is simply his duty (Luke 17:7-10).

 

[TomL]

Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !

And Rom 9:11 references God's choice of a people by which he could fulfill his promises to Abraham

not unconditional salvation which is by faith a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

not ethnicity or works rigteousness

 

[TomL]

Greetings Rockson and good morning~Oh I love John 20:31 written by John given by the Holy Ghost.

First, the word of God is given to God's elect by holy men of God who were moved the The Holy Ghost. The scriptures gives to us God's testimony concerning many spiritual truth, which apart from the scriptures neither you or myself would ever have the slightest clue of the true knowledge of God, and his eternal purposes which he purposed in Himself and for his glory and honour.

John 20:31~But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. I'll give the only sense that we must apply to John 20:31 that will flow with all scriptures.

What is written is written that we might believe that Jesus is the Christ~this is the means God has purposed to use to give to his children faith in Jesus Christ, the power to have this faith is also given to us by the new man created within each and every child of God. By believing, God's children might have (all do not have the same measure of faith, for many factors come into play as to why some believe more, others less) the KNOWLEDGE OF eternal life that we have through the name of Jesus Christ~not through our personal believing.

So by practicing Nehemiah 8:8~"So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading." We understand John 20:31 to say this: "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have (the knowledge of) life through his name.

Rockson, this is the only reason why we have the written word of God, for us to receive God witness of many spiritual truth~one being how we as sinners come to be children of God, and what is our future ahead of this present life, etc. etc. We receive KNOWLEDGE of such blessed truth by believing. But, we also are remained over and over again~Matthew 16:17~And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

How did you deal with the fact faith precedes the granting of spiritual life

Btw nothing in any text states God effectually gives men faith

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is not the object of the latter half of that verse. "And that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God" refers back only to salvation. Salvation is the gift of God. Our faith is in Christ, and that is found in us through Hearing the Gospel. But our faith is not of ourselves. "Faith comes from hearing the Word of God." So one must first hear the Word (the Gospel) in order to have faith. Then faith (belief and action) based on what the Gospel says is what is counted as righteousness to us. And this is nothing to boast about. A servant has no right to glory in doing what his master commands. It is simply his duty (Luke 17:7-10).

Faith is the Gift of God, it says so right here Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

The word that τοῦτο neuter encompasses the whole phrase, Salvation is of Grace, Faith is of Grace, Gift is of Grace, hence no part of the saving process is of ourselves, thats the whole point.

Yet you and others totally disregard the text and adamantly say Faith is of ourselves.

Now if faith in the salvific process was of ourselves, then quite frankly that is a reason to boast !

 

[brightfame52]

And Rom 9:11 references God's choice of a people by which he could fulfill his promises to Abraham

not unconditional salvation which is by faith a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

not ethnicity or works rigteousness

Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !

 

[TomL]

Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !

Naturally you ignore scripture

And Rom 9:11 references God's choice of a people by which he could fulfill his promises to Abraham

not unconditional salvation which is by faith a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

not ethnicity or works rigteousness

 

[Red Baker]

How did you deal with the fact faith precedes the granting of spiritual life

Btw nothing in any text states God effectually gives men faith

No, it does not say faith is freely given in John 20:31, and neither did I. Also, it doesn't say that faith precedes spiritual life in John 20:31, you are assuming that, in spite of so many "others scriptures" that teach contrary to that teaching.

That's why when we read the scriptures we must practice Nehemiah 8:8 with all scriptures!

When I read John 20:31 that I know the sense that I must render the words..."But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name~to mean you might have the knowledge of eternal life~because only men who have the power of God given faith, can come the the knowledge of the truth, such truths as Jesus securing the free gift of eternal life for each one given to him of God.

 

[brightfame52]

Naturally you ignore scripture

And Rom 9:11 references God's choice of a people by which he could fulfill his promises to Abraham

not unconditional salvation which is by faith a condition

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

not ethnicity or works rigteousness

Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !