Doctrine of Unconditional Election

Many oppose election and state that its not unto Salvation, but only to service, which is ridiculous. A key passage on election shows how election of God is unto Salvation, Justification Eph 1:3-5

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Within this passage Paul shows us one of the purposes why God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world:

" that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"

Notice the words "without blame" What is it to be without blame ?

The words mean:

  1. without blemish
    1. as a sacrifice without spot or blemish
  2. morally: without blemish, faultless, unblameable,

without rebuke, without fault,

Basically its to be perfectly righteous, guilt free !

This purpose is fulfilled in the death of Christ for us, by which by it we are perfected forever Heb 10:14

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

His Death for the Chosen speaks to both their sanctification[ being holy] and Justification being made perfectly righteous and without blame before God in Love.


So Election is unto Salvation, being made righteous, blameless, holy are Salvation Blessings ! 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 5
 
SO you know nothing about being BORN AGAIN of the Holy SPirit, or being indwelled by Him (which is what makes you a Christian. "Regeneration" is a "Calvinist buzz word" of uncertain meaning (not salvation - but kind of a twilight state that leads to it apparantly) and I have no idea what your definition of "Conversion" is. but nothing you've said appears to have anything to do with Christianity.
Bob, why do you not test me to see instead of using vain jangling. You have no idea of what I mean by conversion, not because I have been not clear on it biblical use, but because of your lack of understanding. I will let a ninety year old man of God who is still living and teaching tell you in his own words the difference between regeneration and conversion, you might learn something if you are a true seeker and lover of the truth.

Regeneration and Conversion​

Regeneration and conversion are Bible words. Both words identify a spiritual work in the child of God. However, they do not refer to the same thing.

Regeneration​

Regeneration is wholly of God. It is the Holy Spirit’s quickening work whereby spiritual life is given to the sinner “by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Tit 3:5). The word comes from “re” meaning “again” and “generate” meaning “to beget.” Jesus identified this work of God as being “born again” (John 3:3). The Bible is emphatic that God “of his own will begat” us (Jam 1:18), even as Jesus claimed He “quickeneth whom He will” (John 5:21).

Eternal life, i.e., spiritual life, is God’s sovereign gift bestowed in regeneration. While invisible to men, this life is demonstrated by man’s response in conversion.

Note especially the absence in Scripture of even one command for a sinner to seek regeneration.

Conversion​

Conversion is the response of the regenerated child of God to his Heavenly Father’s will and commandments. The word means to “turn” or “turn about.” Thus it was foretold of John the Baptist’s ministry, “and many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God” (Lu 1:16). Those John turned are declared to be already related to “the Lord their God” but needed to turn about and obey Him.

Jesus describes the Apostle Peter’s denial and recovery by saying, “when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (Lu 22:32).

James explains the departure of a Christian brother from the truth can be corrected if another “converteth the sinner from the error of his way” (Jam 5:20).

Numerous exhortations and commandments are addressed to the saved, i.e., regenerated children of God, calling them from sin, error and ignorance to righteousness, truth and joyful assurance in fellowship with God (1 John 1:3, 7-9). A person’s conversion is usually in proportion to his understanding of and obedience to Bible truth.

Regeneration Contrasted with Conversion​

While regeneration is a once-for-all event, conversion will occur in steps depending upon one learning to follow God’s revealed will.

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Unless one holds to the false theory of sinless perfection, every child of God will have some area(s) where he needs to experience conversion.

That is, there will be ideas, habits or personality traits that need to be changed and replaced by God’s perfect and revealed will.

Results Of Confusing Regeneration And Conversion​

Many teachers of religion confuse the words — regeneration and conversion — making both refer to being eternally saved or born again. Therefore, they put various conversion commands upon the unsaved.

This has resulted in the present popular theology of conditional or decisional regeneration. It is commonly preached that the sinner must do something or meet some condition before God can or will save him.

Conditions vary from one church or evangelist to another, but may include praying the sinner’s prayer, confessing faith in Jesus, making Jesus Lord, water baptism, joining the church, taking communion or other works of righteousness.

Conditional Regeneration Refuted​

The following Scriptures mark as error this teaching of requiring a sinner to meet some condition before God can save or regenerate him.

1. Salvation is “not of works” (Eph 2:9; Tit 3:5), which excludes faith since faith is a “work” (John 6:28-29), is “of the law” (Matt 23:23) and is keeping a “commandment” (1 John 3:23).

2. Faith, love of brethren and righteous deeds all result because one “is born of God” (1 John 5:1, 4; 4:7; 2:29), and thus cannot be the means or conditions required before God saves a person. These are evidences showing one already has eternal life (John 3:36; 5:24).

3. An unsaved man cannot receive spiritual things (1 Cor 2:14), cannot please God (Rom 8:7-8) and will not come to Christ (John 5:40). He must be given spiritual life first.

4. Men are eternally saved according to God’s will (Eph 1:4-5); John 3:8; 17:2; Rom 9:15), not according to man’s will (John 1:13; Rom 9:11, 16).

5. The gospel reveals the good news of salvation only to those who “are saved” (1 Cor 1:18, 24), thus bringing spiritual “life and immorality to light” as proof and assurance of God’s salvation (2 Tim 1:10; Acts 13:48).

God’s salvation is a “free gift” without any conditions (Rom 5:15-18; 6:23!).

A Word of Encouragement​

If God has given you a new heart and spirit (Ezek 11:19-20; Eph 4:3-6) and written His laws in your heart (Rom 2:15), then you have been regenerated. This makes you accountable to obey God and “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure” (Phil 2:12-13).

Foes that will fight your efforts to obey God in true conversion will likely include your deceitful heart (Jer 17:9), your carnal flesh (Rom 8:7), your sinful lusts (1 Pet 2:11), so-called friends (Pro 29:25), and Satan (1 Cor 11:3).

You can know and have friends who rejoice in free grace and unconditional salvation. Every inquiry will receive a cordial reply. We await the opportunity to serve you in the gospel of God’s dear Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
SO you know nothing about being BORN AGAIN of the Holy SPirit, or being indwelled by Him (which is what makes you a Christian. "Regeneration" is a "Calvinist buzz word" of uncertain meaning (not salvation - but kind of a twilight state that leads to it apparantly) and I have no idea what your definition of "Conversion" is. but nothing you've said appears to have anything to do with Christianity.
This next one is written by his son a good friend of mine who is almost 70!

Regeneration & Conversion Compared​



RegenerationConversion
A creative act of GodA revealed duty of man
An instantaneous actA gradual process, repeated event
God is sovereignMan is responsible
Without human meansBy many human means
Apart from the gospelBy means of the gospel
Gives life to sinnersBrings activity from life
Necessary for eternal lifeNeeded for fellowship with God
Man is entirely passiveMan is considerably active
Can reach even an infantCannot influence an infant
Can exist without conversionCannot exist without regeneration
Compared to conception & birthCompared to walking & growing
The condition for conversionThe evidence of regeneration
Origination of lifeManifestation of life
Irresistible by manResistible by man
Complete in each child of GodVariously partial in each man
No flesh can gloryThe flesh gets some credit
Guaranteed by graceMade possible by grace
Makes one a child of GodManifests one as a child of God
Involves creationInvolves conviction
Unconditional on man’s partConditional on man’s part
Apart from human consciousnessBased in human consciousness
Man cannot influence or directMan can labor to bring about
Cornelius before meeting PeterCornelius after meeting Peter
PerfectImperfect




The Gospel Is Not Involved In Regeneration

The Condition of Man precludes it.​

  1. The gospel cannot help those who are dead (Gen 2:17; Eph 2:1-3; Col 2:13).
  2. The gospel cannot help those who cannot see it (John 3:3; II Cor 4:3-4).
  3. The gospel cannot help those who cannot hear it (John 8:43,47; Acts 7:57).
  4. The gospel cannot help those who cannot understand it (John 8:43; II Tim 2:25).
  5. The gospel cannot help those who will not understand it (Rom 3:11; II Pet 3:5).
  6. The gospel cannot help those who will not seek God (Ps 14:2-3; Rom 3:11).
  7. The gospel cannot help those who cannot please God (Rom 8:8; 3:12; Is 64:6).
  8. The gospel cannot help those who cannot be subject to it (Rom 8:7; Jer 13:23).
  9. The gospel cannot help even if one preached from the dead (Luke 16:31).
  10. The gospel cannot help those who are beyond any reformation (Isa 26:10).
  11. The gospel cannot help those beyond the Spirit’s influence (1 Cor 2:14).
  12. The gospel cannot help those at war with the Spirit (Gal 5:17; Acts 7:51).
  13. The gospel cannot help those at war with God (Rom 5:8; 8:7; Luke 19:14).
  14. The gospel cannot help those without any fear of God (Rom 3:18; Ps 36:1).
  15. The gospel cannot help those that do not have any faith (Heb 11:6; Ps 10:4).
  16. The gospel cannot help those who think it is foolishness (1 Cor 1:18,23; 2:14).
  17. The gospel cannot help those whose minds are blinded by Satan (2 Cor 4:3-4).
  18. The gospel cannot help those without any strength (Rom 5:6; 7:8-9; 8:3).

The Denial of Man’s Involvement precludes it.​

  1. Scripture denies man’s will in regeneration (John 1:13; Rom 9:16).
  2. Scripture denies man’s ability to please God (Rom 8:8; Phil 2:13).
  3. Scripture denies any works by man (Rom 9:16; Eph 2:9; Titus 3:5).
  4. Scripture denies any activity contrary to grace (Rom 4:4; 11:6; Eph 2:5).
  5. Scripture affirms only God’s will involved in it (John 3:8; 5:21; Rom 9:15).

The Results of Regeneration preclude it.​

  1. Faith results from regeneration (Acts 18:27; Gal 5:22; Eph 1:19; 2 Pet 1:1).
  2. Any activity toward God is the result of regeneration (Phil 2:13; Ps 110:3).
  3. We were regenerated for good works, not because of them (Eph 2:10; 4:24).
  4. Ability to see, hear, or know God is by regeneration (Pro 20:12; John 8:47).
  5. Faith and works are evidence (Acts 10:34-35; 1 John 2:29; 3:7, 14; 4:7; 5:1, 4).

The Means of Regeneration preclude it.​

  1. Regeneration is ascribed to God (John 1:13; 2 Cor 4:6; 1 Pet 1:3).
  2. Regeneration is ascribed to the Son (John 5:21, 25-29; 17:2; 1 Pet 1:23).
  3. Regeneration is ascribed to the Spirit of God (John 3:8; Ecc 11:5).

The Description of Regeneration precludes it.​

  1. It is called a birth (John 1:13; 3:3-8; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18).
  2. It is called a quickening (Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13).
  3. It is called a regeneration (Titus 3:5; Matt 19:28).
  4. It is called a creation (Eph 2:10; 4:24; James 1:18).
  5. It is called a begetting (Jam 1:18; 1 Pet 1:3; 1 John 5:1, 18).
  6. It is called a resurrection (John 5:25; Rev 20:6; Matt 19:28).
  7. It is called a renewing (Titus 3:5).

The Purpose of the Gospel precludes it.​

  1. The gospel reveals the power of God to those already saved (1 Cor 1:18, 24).
  2. The gospel brings life and immortality to light (1 Tim 1:10).
  3. Paul sought to preach the gospel to saints already with faith (Rom 1:15-17).
  4. The gospel is to give men assurance of eternal life (1 John 5:13).
  5. The gospel is to convert men from error to the truth (Jam 5:19-20).
  6. The gospel is to give men fellowship with God and His Son (1 John 1:1-5).
  7. The gospel would leave salvation shaky rather than sure (Rom 4:16; 8:29-34).
  8. The gospel is a savour of death and life, but never death unto life (II Cor 2:14-17).

The Examples of Regeneration preclude it.​

  1. John the Baptist was regenerated before birth (Luke 1:15; Rom 8:14; Gal 5:22).
  2. Cornelius was regenerated before hearing the gospel (Acts 10:2-4, 34-35).
  3. Lydia’s heart was opened before rather than by the gospel (Acts 16:14).
  4. Ministers are to feed sheep (John 21:15-17) and perfect saints (Eph 4:12).

The Glory of God precludes it.​

  1. Regeneration, an integral part of salvation, is all for God’s glory (1 Cor 1:26-31).
  2. God will not allow men to boast or to obligate Him at all (Rom 4:4; Eph 2:9).
  3. The future purpose of salvation is God showing His kindness, not ours (Eph 2:7).
 
Thats not right, he was as all Gods Elect were, made righteous by Christs one act of obedience. Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Now Faith will eventually be given to them who have been righteous by His One obedience so they can be persuaded of it.
You perceive only one side of the issue. Yes, it is through Jesus' death and resurrection that everyone has the opportunity to be forgiven and receive Jesus' righteousness. But that righteousness is not received without our own faith being demonstrated in obedience (Eph 2:8-9).
 
@Red Baker

Bob, why do you not test me to see instead of using vain jangling. You have no idea of what I mean by conversion, not because I have been not clear on it biblical use, but because of your lack of understanding. I will let a ninety year old man of God who is still living and teaching tell you in his own words the difference between regeneration and conversion, you might learn something if you are a true seeker and lover of the truth.

Good stuff for sure, please tell us the source, the 90 year old man.
 
You perceive only one side of the issue. Yes, it is through Jesus' death and resurrection that everyone has the opportunity to be forgiven and receive Jesus' righteousness. But that righteousness is not received without our own faith being demonstrated in obedience (Eph 2:8-9).
Oh no, giving everyone an opportunity is foreign to the text, Christs One obedience actually constituted righteous the many He represented, just like Adams one disobedience constituted sinners for as many he represented Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This is Gospel Truth from Paul
 
@Red Baker



Good stuff for sure, please tell us the source, the 90 year old man.
Source? Let me give you his testimony.

Bible Discoveries:​

How the Lord Taught Me Sovereign Grace​

“They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.” Isaiah 29:24​

We are thankful to Almighty God to provide this testimony of Roland C. Crosby, who converted from Arminianism to the true gospel of God’s free and sovereign grace in 1984-1986. Brother Crosby finished his graduate seminary study in 1956 and pastored several Arminian Baptist churches in Michigan from 1956 to 1985.​


"After many years as a Baptist pastor, the Lord challenged me by His Spirit to carefully review what the Bible taught regarding the doctrine of salvation. Previously, like most of the independent Baptist pastors that I had known, I had believed that a sinner obtained eternal life by receiving Jesus Christ as his personal savior. But over time and through much study the Lord taught me the truth about His great salvation. He graciously revealed to me that eternal life is not obtained by fulfilling any condition like accepting Christ as savior. Rather, eternal life is God’s free gift that He gives to whomever He chooses without any involvement by the sinner.

This God-given, free-gift salvation is commonly known as Sovereign Grace. It is termed sovereign because it is the unconditional work of God alone (John 1:13, Rom 9:13-16). It is gracious because it is based on the grace and mercy of God whereby He generously bestows eternal life to rebellious sinners who are totally undeserving of His kindness (Eph 2:8-9). Grace greatly magnifies the glory of God and guarantees that “no flesh should glory in His presence” (I Cor 1:29, 31). While God’s gracious salvation is free to sinners, it cost the death of His only begotten Son on the cross of Calvary.

The following Bible discoveries are key points of Scripture the Lord revealed to me as He taught me the glorious truth of His sovereign grace in the salvation of sinners.

1. The Total Depravity of the Sinner: One of the first discoveries that the Lord showed me from Scripture was that a sinner, dead in trespasses and sins, has neither the ability nor the desire to please God or come to Jesus Christ. Much to my surprise, this biblical truth was clearly set forth in The London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1643. The confession stated: “God’s free and special grace” saves a sinner who is “wholly passive therein.” I was amazed at how modern confessions of faith had departed from the biblical position of my Baptist forefathers. The same Confession further stated that the Bible taught the total inability of a sinner to will or do anything accompanying salvation (Chap 8:8; 9:3-4; 10:2 above confession).

My personal Bible study confirmed exactly what the confession stated. I found that a sinner, dead in trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1,5), cannot, of himself, cease from sin to do righteousness (Job 14:4; Jer 13:23; Mt 7:18), receive or understand God’s truth (1 Cor 2:14; 1:18), see or enter the kingdom of God (John 3:3, 5), come to Christ (John 6:44, 65; 3:20) receive Christ of his own accord (John 1:11; 3:27; 8:43) or receive the Holy Spirit who regenerates the heart (John 14:17; Tit 3:5).

I also discovered that a sinner will not come to Christ on his own (John 5:40) or seek after God of his own accord (Ps 10:4, 14:2-3; Rom 3:11). The sinner’s inability and unwillingness to come to Christ establishes the necessity for God’s sovereign grace in his life if he is to be saved.
2. How Regeneration Differs From Conversion: As I continued re-studying the Bible doctrine of salvation, I discovered the clear distinction between regeneration and conversion. Most today miss this critical distinction, using these two terms interchangeably, not realizing that they are two very different processes in Scripture.

Regeneration (Tit 3:5) means life is created. It is also referred to as being born again (John 3:5), a quickening (Eph 2:1), a creation (Eph 2:10), a begetting (Jam 1:18) and a resurrection (John 5:25). Regeneration is the work of God whereby He supernaturally gives a dead sinner spiritual life by imparting to him a new heart and spirit. Regeneration requires divine action, denies any human ability, and shows sinful man to be totally passive.

Conversion, on the other hand, means to change belief or purpose. Jesus said the apostle Peter would be converted (Luke 22:32) after he denied the Lord. Peter had not lost his eternal salvation, but he needed to change his behavior. Even a Christian brother must be converted when he has fallen into sin (Jam 5:19). From these and other examples in Scripture I discovered that conversion is any step of obedience and spiritual growth in the life of a born-again child of God.

Regeneration, as the Bible declares it, is strictly the work of God in the life of a dead sinner whereby that sinner is called to spiritual life by the power of God. Conversion, however, is greatly dependent on the diligence of the born-again child of God. Regeneration is a one-time act of God in which He gives the dead sinner spiritual life to become a son of God. Conversion is the on-going, life-long process of spiritual growth that occurs in the lives of all born-again children of God by which they strive to conform themselves to the image of the Lord Jesus Christ. Conversion may be hardly evident in the lives of some of God’s children (Lot) or may be fully demonstrated in the lives of a few (Apostle Paul).
I once erred, as do many, by applying conversion commands to those dead in sins as conditions for how they could obtain spiritual life. Now I understand that the many conversion commands in Scripture to repent and believe the gospel are only meant for the born-again children of God who already have the God-given ability and will to obey the gospel commands and come to Christ.

3. Conversion Lessons From the Acts of the Apostles: As a further step in my renewed review of the doctrine of salvation, I carefully studied through the Book of Acts. One thing that really stood out to me is what the apostles were challenging their hearers to do. I noted that apostolic preaching exhorted those who believed to repent and be baptized, to save themselves from this untoward generation, and to repent and be converted (Acts 2:38, 40; 3:19). Repentance, I saw, is one step of conversion which means to change one’s mind toward God. Repentance and conversion were needed for Peter’s hearers since they had killed Jesus through ignorance (Acts 3:17).

While I saw many such exhortations to repentance and conversion in the Book of Acts, I did not see any invitations by the apostles for their hearers to accept Christ as savior in order to be born again. It began to dawn on me that the apostles knew well what I was only beginning to see, that until a person was born again by the supernatural power of God, he had no ability or interest in believing the gospel and following Jesus Christ.

This incredibly important point was summarized perfectly in Acts 13:48b, “And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” This verse clearly stated what I was seeing in the Acts. The only ones who ever believed the gospel and followed Jesus Christ were those who had already been ordained by God to eternal life and who had already been born again by the Spirit of God. Now I understood. The apostles were exhorting to repentance and conversion those among their hearers who had already been born again and thus possessed the spiritual life and ability to hear and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.

4. Certain Verb Tenses Prove That Regeneration Precedes Conversion: As I had already learned, except a man was born again (regeneration) he could not and would not come to Christ and believe the gospel (conversion). Regeneration was necessary before conversion was possible. This fact was proved to me in a unique way by noting the verb tenses in some familiar verses. Two good examples are John 5:24 and I John 5:1.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life”

“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.”
The verb “believeth” in these two verses is present tense, pointing to action taking place in the present. However, the verbs “is passed” and “is born” are present perfect tenses, pointing out actions which were completed in the past with the effects continuing in the present.
What the tenses of these important verses taught me is that the person who presently believes the gospel has already been born again and has already passed from death unto life. Thus a person’s believing the gospel is the evidence that God has already regenerated him, rather than the conditional means of his being born again.

5. The Word “Salvation” in the Bible can apply to Conversion as well as Regeneration: Another area on which I focused my study was the many Bible verses which use some form of the word “save.” Through careful comparisons I discovered that the Bible has numerous meanings for the words “save”, “saved”, and “salvation.” Many today think that every time they come across a form of the word “save” in Scripture, the subject under consideration must be the eternal salvation of a sinner. Often this is not the case.
First, the word “save” simply means “deliver.” When one encounters this word in Scripture, the first question that must be asked is, what deliverance is under discussion? Is it natural or eternal? Is it physical or spiritual? And further, is it a salvation that relates to the work of God alone or is it a salvation that relates to conversion which emphasizes man’s responsibility. I found that making these distinctions was critically important.

For example, Titus 3:5 teaches that God saves us in regeneration “according to his mercy.” Notice that the salvation of regeneration (being born again) is the work of God alone. Jesus likened the salvation of regeneration by the Spirit of God to the wind blowing wherever it wants to. Even as we cannot control the wind in any way, so the sinner cannot control or direct the Spirit in the act of regeneration (John 3:1-8).
On the other hand, James 5:20 teaches that the brother “which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” The salvation in this verse is referring to the help that one brother offers another in converting him from his sin. This salvation is not eternal life. It is deliverance from error and the practice of sin during this life. See also I Tim 4:16.
So we see that whenever we run across the word “save”, “saved”, or “salvation” in Scripture, we must carefully determine what salvation is under consideration. Is it salvation that God alone gives to the sinner; or is it a practical deliverance that man achieves by being converted himself or by converting others to a closer walk with God.

6. The Role of Faith in Eternal Salvation: For many years I believed and taught that faith played a critical role in the eternal salvation of sinners. Unless a person exercised his faith by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ as his personal savior from sin, that person could not be saved. But the Lord showed me that faith was not the key to a person’s salvation as I had long thought.
While many today teach, just like I did at one time, that faith is a special instrument whereby grace is activated in the work of salvation, I rather discovered the Bible identifies faith as a work (John 6:28-29), a part of the law (Mt 23:23), a commandment of God (1 John 3:23) and an act of obedience to God (Rom 16:26).

And, of course, we know that the Bible clearly teaches that eternal salvation is not obtained by performing works (Tit 3:5), by keeping the law (Gal 2:16), or by fulfilling any condition or requirement (Rom 9:16, John 1:13). The gift of eternal life is based only on the free grace of God through Jesus Christ. God gives eternal life to whomever He chooses based only on His own will and choice. Man is totally inactive in his own eternal salvation. The faith of a sinner is not the condition, instrument, or means of his obtaining eternal life.
Furthermore, I discovered that faith is the gift of God (Eph 2:8-9), a fruit of the Spirit of God (Gal 5:22), and is born of God (I John 5:4). From these and other verses I learned that faith only comes from God and can only be seen in the lives of born again children of God. Natural men, those dead in trespasses and sins, do not have faith (II Thess 3:2).

And so I came to understand that faith cannot be the means whereby a dead sinner comes to Christ and gains possession of eternal life. Faith is a demonstration of the Spirit of God in the life of a born again child of God. Rather than being a condition whereby the sinner comes to Christ, faith is a proof or evidence that a person has already been born-again and is already in possession of eternal life. The sense of Scripture is that if a man believes on Jesus Christ, he already has eternal life.

7. The Words “All Men,” “Every Man,” and “World” in the Bible Usually Do not Refer to the Entire Human Race: For many years I have heard that these words prove that God loves and offers eternal salvation to the entire human race. For example, I once heard a popular pastor teach his flock, “All means all, and that’s all all means.” He was referring to verses like I Tim 2:4 and I Tim 4:10. He was teaching that God loves and Christ has died equally for every member of Adam’s fallen race.

But the Lord showed me by the plain statements of Scripture that God does not love all men equally and Christ did not die for all men. First, I learned that God hates the wicked (Ps. 5:5; 11:5; 10:3). God hates all the wicked apart from those whose sins are covered by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Second, I learned that Jesus Christ did not die for all the human race, but that He died for His people (Matt 1:21), His sheep (John 10:11), those the Father had given to Him (John 10:27-29, 17:2), and His church (Eph 5:25).

Based on these passages, when we come across verses that seem to suggest otherwise, we should know immediately that God does not love all men equally and that Jesus Christ only died for a specific segment of the human race.

Words like “all,” “every,” and “world” in the Bible are often limited by their context. Take for example Luke 2:1, “And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.” This verse includes two of the very popular words that many use today to teach that God loves and Christ died for every single person (all & world). But notice in this verse how the context severely limits these two words. “All the world” only refers to the Roman world of that day. This verse does not even refer to all living men of that time for there were large parts of the earth that were not included in that Roman world that was taxed. And that “world” certainly did not include anyone alive today. So we can clearly see from this example that “all the world” actually referred to only a small subset of the entire human race.
This is a good example of the verses that the Lord used to teach me that the words “all,” “every,” and “world” are usually greatly limited by their biblical context. One must carefully study beyond the bare sound of a word to determine what group of men is actually being considered in a particular verse. It is not nearly enough to simply read a verse and assume that because the verse includes “all”, “every”, or “world” that it is referring to the entire human race.

I humbly and reverently thank God my Savior for His sovereign grace. He commanded life to me when I was spiritually dead. He called me to obedience through the preaching of the gospel. He rejoices my soul with the marvels of His love and the joy of salvation as I study and believe His word. He gives victory over temptations to evil and forgives my confessed sins. I find comfort, peace, and hope in believing His promise to soon come in power and great glory. I bring all my praise to Jesus the Christ Who loved me and gave Himself for me!"

Roland C. Crosby
 
Doug~Faith is not the impulsive or moving cause of Justification. It is an act of pure and free grace, without any motive in the creature: Therefore the Apostle saith,

But this benefit would not be of grace, but of works, was our faith the impulsive cause of it: because faith is a work or act of ours, as we learn from the words of Christ:

Salvation is not of works, in any branch of it;

From whence it is evident that Justification, which is a considerable part of salvation, cannot be by works. The grace of God eminently appears in contriving the way of our Justification by Christ’s righteousness, and in sending Him into the world to work out a righteousness for us, in which we stand complete in His sight: Hence we are said...

No other cause can be assigned why sinners are justified in the sight of God, than His free favour and sovereign pleasure, as the effect of which He determined to justify them in the righteousness of His Son. So sad this is still even being debatable, but the generation of serpents never die, and will not until Jesus returns again per Matthew 24:34!

Doug just as the words save/saved/salvation are used in different senses, we also see such doctrines as Justification used in different senses. It is used in an eternal sense, as well as legal and practical and final! Time and space will not allow me to discuss this, but consider two close passages and see they are not used in the same sense.

Without question justification is is used in a legal sense~but not so in the very next verse:

Here is is our faith, which takes place in our conscience! This is justification being used in a practical sense, certainly not in any other sense.

This comes to the heart of a regenerate child of God after he/she hears, the gospel and understands what he/she hears, it may come over time, generally not at first, since we all are newborn babes and it takes TIME to learn, and grown, and comprehend this great salvation we have in Jesus Christ.
Firstly, faith is not the gift referenced in Eph 2:8-9; salvation is the gift. Faith is the conduit, or the path, or the method of transmitting that salvation to us. It is through faith that we receive the gift (grace) of salvation.

Secondly, faith does not just take place in our conscience. Faith is evidence, substance, the visible, tangible, experiential. It is something we do, are, and demonstrate.

Third, justification is an instantaneous effect, as well as an ongoing, daily, continual effect. Both are in view in the passages you cite.
ps: please post your citations of Scripture as a part of your comments, not as quotations. Quotations the way you post them do not carry over to replys.
First, do you mind if I ask you a question~are you a church of Christ member?
I am not now a member of the Church of Christ (as an Earthly institution), but I am a member of the Church for which Jesus died and which Peter, Paul, and the other Apostles preached and for which they also died.
Doug, as a young believer back in 1974 I read every commentary I could get my hands on to see what others had to say concerning this scripture, since at that time, I worked with some men who were part of the church of Christ and they constantly bombarded me with this scripture, along with Mark 16:16; Acts 22:16; as their main go to scriptures. As a sincere believer, I wanted to know the truth, and was willing to follow the truth wherever God's truth took me, God being my witness. What kept me sound in the what little truth I then possessed, I held fast that salvation from sin and condemnation was totally of God's grace through the obedience of ONE, Jesus Christ~ it kept me from following their corrupt doctrine of adding my own works/obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ as though God would accept them as my righteousness, even though covered with just being obedience to Christ and his gospel. I struggled with this a little, not too much, for around two to three years of trying to fully understand the truth as it is in Jesus Christ. Below is my understanding concerning conclusion of studying this subject thoroughly out as much as I could.

First, the key to Acts 2;38 is found in verse 37.

Verse 37 said clearly that after hearing Peter's sermon concerning Christ concerning David's prophesying~being a prophet knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.


Doug, when some of these men heard this, they were pricked in their hearts, which is a biblical evidence they had been born of God. Can I prove this? Yes. Compare Acts 2:37 to Acts 7:51-54.
No, being "pricked in their hearts" was evidence of intellectual assent of the truth of Peter's words. If it were evidence of their already being born again, then Peter's answer to their question, "What shall we do?", would have been, "Nothing, it has already been done for you." But that was not his answer. His answer was that they still lacked the obedience of faith that would bring about their new birth (as is evidenced in Rom 6:1-7 and Col 2:11-14 where we witness the timing of the new birth in baptism).
Stephen preached one of the most powerful sermons ever preached outside of Matthew 5-7, without a question~yet look at the results of his preaching. Compare the two events, and you must confess that those in Acts 2:37 were already born of God before Acts 2:38!
No. They in Acts 2 accepted the truth, but those in Acts 7 did not. It is not evidence of their already having been saved by that acceptance.
Peter a man of God knew that their words to him proved that they were born of God and desired to do whatever God commanded of them in order to please him and for them to submit to Jesus Christ as Lord over all.

"For" here in this verse means "because of" and I say this based upon the overall text and other scriptures! For does not mean in order to obtain like the CoC teaches, that is heresy, pure and simple. Consider other scriptures where the word for is used:
"For" can indeed mean "because of", but not in Acts 2:38. This can be proven through review of Acts 3:19. But first, let's dispel the idea that there is no physical action that leads to our receiving salvation. Rom 10:9-10 clearly states a direct connection between the physical action of confessing Jesus as Lord "with the mouth" and salvation. "with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
So, back in Acts 3, repentance is done "in order to receive", which means that repentance in Acts 2 is also "in order to receive". And there is no separation between repentance and baptism in Acts 2. Repentance and baptism are both to be done "in order to receive" forgiveness of sin.
Doug, our faith is the system God has chosen for evidence that we have received the gift of free justification from God by his grace, through Jesus' faith and obedience.

Paul had shown from the Jewish scriptures that God declared Abram righteous by faith (4:3). This is the only basis we should ever say anything authoritatively – inspired wisdom from God revealed for us to know truth in any matter (Job 32:6-10; Ps 119:128; 2nd Tim 3:16-17). Here Paul used the synonym reckoned for counted in Genesis 15:6 and in Romans 4:3. Whether counted, reckoned, accounted, or imputed, the sense is the same ~ God considered, esteemed, regarded, and declared Abraham’s faith as the evidence of his righteousness~which was freely imputed to him by grace alone, a gift secured by Jesus Christ for his elect seed.
You have that wrong. God did not count Abraham's faith "as evidence of his righteousness". His faith was counted as righteousness (Gen 15:6, Rom 4:3, James 2:23).
Doug, Ephesians 2:8, 9 does not say that, you are adding that because in your mind you have come to accept that.

If faith was of ourselves, then it would be a work~1st John 3:23
1 John 3:23 does not say that if faith was of ourselves it would be a work. It says nothing of the kind. It says, "This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us." And the Greek word for "believe" here is PISTIS which means faith. John is saying that God's command to us is to have faith in Jesus, His Son. And Love is also an action word. Faith and Love are things that we must do.
The faith in Ephesians 2:8 is Christ's faith, for Paul said clearly, and "that" not of yourself! God provided all spiritual blessings for us in our surety included perfect faith and obedience!

These scriptures are speaking of a profess believer's practical faith, without which his profession is no more than devils who believed and tremble during the days of Christ on earth. You are separate Doug, by trying to use such scriptures as far as being means of regeneration. This is a very weak attempt to prove your position~actually, you hurt yourself more than help.
No, I am not desperate, nor do the Scriptures hurt me. I am secure in my salvation, having obeyed my Lord and continually walking in His righteousness. But I fear for those who, like yourself, teach that we do not need to obey God.
 
Oh no, giving everyone an opportunity is foreign to the text, Christs One obedience actually constituted righteous the many He represented, just like Adams one disobedience constituted sinners for as many he represented Rom 5:19

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

This is Gospel Truth from Paul
We have been over this before. You pervert the truth to mean what you want, instead of letting the Truth flow from the text in accordance with Biblical intent.

God does not wish for any to be lost (2 Pet 3:9), so if His were the only will that made a difference in salvation, then every soul would be saved. But we know that many will be lost (Matt 7:13-14). So there are other wills at opposition to God's. One is Satan's will. But man's will is also at play here, and we can choose between Satan's path (the wide gate), and God's path (the narrow gate). God gave us this choice, and it determines whether or not we receive His salvation.
 
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We are thankful to Almighty God to provide this testimony of Roland C. Crosby, who converted from Arminianism to the true gospel of God’s free and sovereign grace in 1984-1986. Brother Crosby finished his graduate seminary study in 1956 and pastored several Arminian Baptist churches in Michigan from 1956 to 1985.

Okay, the reason why I asked, a former writer I read on the subject was very good in distinguishing regeneration from conversion, here is his book,

 
We have been over this before. You pervert the truth to mean what you want, instead of letting the Truth flow from the text in accordance with Biblical intent.

God does not wish for any to be lost (2 Pet 3:9), so if His were the only will that made a difference in salvation, then every soul would be saved. But we know that many will be lost (Matt 7:13-14). So there are other wills at opposition to God's. One is Satan's will. But man's will is also at play here, and we can choose between Satan's path (the wide gate), and God's path (the narrow gate). God gave us this choice, and it determines whether or not we receive His salvation.
Yes we have been over this no doubt, but unfortunately you still dont understand it.
 
Okay, the reason why I asked, a former writer I read on the subject was very good in distinguishing regeneration from conversion, here is his book,

https://www.webbmt.org/books-pdf/Regeneration_and_Conversion.pdf
I actually know him, and good friend of mine who is now gone on to be with the Lord went to his church as an assistance to him back in the nineties. He pastored a church in Houston Tx.

W.F. Bell (Canton Ga.) was my friend's name~you can google him and read a lot of his work~a very humble man of God.
 
Bob, why do you not test me to see instead of using vain jangling. You have no idea of what I mean by conversion, not because I have been not clear on it biblical use, but because of your lack of understanding. I will let a ninety year old man of God who is still living and teaching tell you in his own words the difference between regeneration and conversion, you might learn something if you are a true seeker and lover of the truth.

Regeneration and Conversion​

Regeneration and conversion are Bible words. Both words identify a spiritual work in the child of God. However, they do not refer to the same thing.

Regeneration​

Regeneration is wholly of God. It is the Holy Spirit’s quickening work whereby spiritual life is given to the sinner “by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Tit 3:5). The word comes from “re” meaning “again” and “generate” meaning “to beget.” Jesus identified this work of God as being “born again” (John 3:3). The Bible is emphatic that God “of his own will begat” us (Jam 1:18), even as Jesus claimed He “quickeneth whom He will” (John 5:21).

Eternal life, i.e., spiritual life, is God’s sovereign gift bestowed in regeneration. While invisible to men, this life is demonstrated by man’s response in conversion.

Note especially the absence in Scripture of even one command for a sinner to seek regeneration.

Notice throughout the bible faith is posited before the reception of life

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance

Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
I actually know him, and good friend of mine who is now gone on to be with the Lord went to his church as an assistance to him back in the nineties. He pastored a church in Houston Tx.

W.F. Bell (Canton Ga.) was my friend's name~you can google him and read a lot of his work~a very humble man of God.
Yeah I been reading his material for decades, he is pretty sound in soteriology, his eschatology I dont agree with, he is pre mil
 
Its crystal clear that the scriptures teach election, even unconditional election in salvation. Most people will agree that election is taught in scripture, but very few agree that its unconditional, and totally by grace and Gods sovereign good pleasure, not outside of Himself. Even the OT scripture indicates Gods sovereign prerogative in election and having mercy on whomever He will Ex 33:19

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. In this discriminatory fashion God exhibits His Glory

Now Paul alludes to this scripture in his treatise on unconditional election in Rom 9:11-16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

We learn that there is what Paul terms "the purpose of God according to election" This is a salvific purpose,. its answering the seeming dilema as to why so many jews in national israel are being lost Rom 9:1-6


Its from this background that Paul develops his treatise on the doctirne of unconditional election, or "the purpose of God according to election"

Now let us look at what Rom 9 tells us: By writer of godsonlygospel.com "election is just not fair.


I do differ with the author regarding his statement "The saved are those who are elected by grace through faith, "

I believe the saved are those who are elected by Grace, minus the faith, but Faith being the consequent of election by grace.

However the main point is, the elect are not elected based upon any foreseen actions or deeds , good or bad, that man has done or will do, because the election of grace was made before they were born to do any actions whatsoever, thats the Apostles point.

This treatise by Paul should forever eliminate the false idea that election is based upon anything foreseen in or of the sinner. Its totally unconditional ! Its totally of Sovereign prerogative !

You're taking Exodus 33:19 totally out of context. The additional information in both the Old and the New testament (that you ignored) is that God tells us who He will be gracious to, and who He will have compassion on: The seed of Abraham, which is the body of Christ, the remnant of Israel, both Jew and Gentile, those who have repented and put their faith in God, as Abraham did. Those are conditions and only those who meet those conditions are the elect of God.

Galatians 3:29 "And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise."

Deuteronomy 10:14-15: "Behold, to the Lord your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it. Yet on your fathers did the Lord set His affection to love them, and He chose their descendants (literally "seed") after them, even you above all peoples, as it is this day."

Who did God choose (or elect)? The seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, all those of us who have the faith of Abraham, both Jew and Gentile. We are the elect. To define the elect any other way is anti-Bible, both in the Old and the New Testament.
 
Mans portion is determined by the will of God, thus Paul says, " The purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth," ( Romans 9:11 ). Election is not based on any thing foreseen in the creature, but of the will of the God exclusively, and for His pleasure. Rev 4:11

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Unconditional Election of some was for His Pleasure !
Sorry it is nowhere stated salvation, righteousness, is unconditional. You assume it

Romans 9 shows God determines who he will choose as his servants and that Salvation, righteousness, he chose to be by faith

It is not by national origin or works

Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
 
Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life
Not going to keep repeating myself to you, so this will be short.

Yes regeneration by definition is the impartation of life, no disagreement here. But what you fail to see, or at least confess, is that there is no seeing, hearing and or any activity (spiritual) whatsoever until this life is imparted!

So, if one rejects this truth, then in essence they also reject the definition of regeneration. As you guys would say, this is class 101 in biblical definitions.......maybe you need to take this class~or, retake it, you are missing an important truth.
 
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