Data on John 1:1

[Peterlag]

GINOLJC, to all.
that's your downfall, you refuse to listen to God. example, Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Revelation 11:4 "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." Revelation 11:5 "And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed." what is the Fire in the two witnesses mouths? is the answer right there in the verses? if so please tell us and 101G will confirm, or tell you where the answer is at in the bible. .... NOW YOUR ANSWER PLEASE. and we will see if what you claim is true. and you said that it's right there in one page. so tell us ... please in the one page.

will be looking for your answer in one page.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

I stay out of the book of Revelation because 99 percent of the people who quote from it do not have a clue about what it's talking about. It's written in a gazillion figures of speech and mostly all addressed to Israel. It has nothing to do with Christians. People who are not real scholars who don't know the Jewish culture as it was thousands of years ago go to the book of Revelation and can make it say whatever they want it to say. Thus, I stay out of it because it's an Old Testament book.

 

[101G]

I stay out of the book of Revelation because 99 percent of the people who quote from it do not have a clue about what it's talking about. It's written in a gazillion figures of speech and mostly all addressed to Israel. It has nothing to do with Christians. People who are not real scholars who don't know the Jewish culture as it was thousands of years ago go to the book of Revelation and can make it say whatever they want it to say. Thus, I stay out of it because it's an Old Testament book.

well no problem, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," so where in the page is God is a single person, "HE". and where in the page here that the HE is him that made man male and female?
looking to hear from you.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

well no problem, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," so where in the page is God is a single person, "HE". and where in the page here that the HE is him that made man male and female?
looking to hear from you.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

New International Version
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’

English Standard Version
He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female,

Berean Standard Bible
Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’

Berean Literal Bible
And answering He said, "Have you not read that the One having created from the beginning 'made them male and female,'

 

[101G]

New International Version
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’

English Standard Version
He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female,

Berean Standard Bible
Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’

Berean Literal Bible
And answering He said, "Have you not read that the One having created from the beginning 'made them male and female,'

is not the CREATOR "God?" and the Lord Jesus said that God is a "HE". supportive scripture, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." now what do your various translations say at Mark 10:6?

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

is not the CREATOR "God?" and the Lord Jesus said that God is a "HE". supportive scripture, Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." now what do your various translations say at Mark 10:6?

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

Yes the creator is God. Not Jesus.

 

[101G]

Yes the creator is God. Not Jesus.

that's your ERROR, listen to Scripture, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." the Word here is JESUS ... Right, Right. and JESUSE MADE ALL THINGS. now this. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now if this is NOT the same person, then you have two different creators, meaning you have two Gods. your choice.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

that's your ERROR, listen to Scripture, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." the Word here is JESUS ... Right, Right. and JESUSE MADE ALL THINGS. now this. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now if this is NOT the same person, then you have two different creators, meaning you have two Gods. your choice.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

The Word there is not Jesus. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God's creative self-expression... His reason, purpose and plans, especially as they are brought into action.

 

[101G]

The Word there is not Jesus. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God's creative self-expression... His reason, purpose and plans, especially as they are brought into action.

Personal Opinion again? LISTEN and LEARN, John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." STOP the Word was in the beginning. next verse, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." so the Word of God made all things correct. is not the Word of God JESUS, let's see. 1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." BY, BY, BY, BY, Jesus Christ.... Now Listen, Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" (STOP READ THAT VERSE AGAIN). Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

you're reproved.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

Personal Opinion again? LISTEN and LEARN, John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." STOP the Word was in the beginning. next verse, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." so the Word of God made all things correct. is not the Word of God JESUS, let's see. 1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." BY, BY, BY, BY, Jesus Christ.... Now Listen, Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" Colossians 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" (STOP READ THAT VERSE AGAIN). Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

you're reproved.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

My word and wisdom was with me in the beginning. Same with God. You're reaching into things that are not there. What it seems to be is you folks believe this nonsense that the churches teach and then go to the Bible and try to find verses scattered all over the place to support your idea.

 

[101G]

My word and wisdom was with me in the beginning. Same with God. You're reaching into things that are not there. What it seems to be is you folks believe this nonsense that the churches teach and then go to the Bible and try to find verses scattered all over the place to support your idea.

use scripture, and as for Wisdom, and the power of God, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

it is your teachers who IGNORANTLY taught YOU. if you cannot believe scriptures. good day.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

use scripture, and as for Wisdom, and the power of God, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

it is your teachers who IGNORANTLY taught YOU. if you cannot believe scriptures. good day.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

For the gazillionth time... There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[101G]

For the unitarianism... There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

and for the gazillionth time... did 101G say there is. 101G is not a trinitarian, 101G don't teach trinitarianism, nor unitarianism, nor do 101G teach or promote what the JW, Mormon.... and everyone else teaches, nor is 101G a Oneness as the UPIC teaches and as sone others on oneness.

now again for the gazillionth time, 101G is Just what the Lord God is, and all his disciples, apostles and prophets are, "Diversified Oneness". 101G believe that the Lord Jesus is the ECHAD or the EQUAL SHARE of himself in Flesh. and that definition is BIBLE, meaning in the scriptures.

101G is not beholding to any man-made doctrine, only and strictly the Lord Jesus doctrine that he has taught.

now, if you cannot address the scriptures and not 101G, good day. 101G is here to discuss scripture, and not personal opinions.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

and for the gazillionth time... did 101G say there is. 101G is not a trinitarian, 101G don't teach trinitarianism, nor unitarianism, nor do 101G teach or promote what the JW, Mormon.... and everyone else teaches, nor is 101G a Oneness as the UPIC teaches and as sone others on oneness.

now again for the gazillionth time, 101G is Just what the Lord God is, and all his disciples, apostles and prophets are, "Diversified Oneness". 101G believe that the Lord Jesus is the ECHAD or the EQUAL SHARE of himself in Flesh. and that definition is BIBLE, meaning in the scriptures.

101G is not beholding to any man-made doctrine, only and strictly the Lord Jesus doctrine that he has taught.

now, if you cannot address the scriptures and not 101G, good day. 101G is here to discuss scripture, and not personal opinions.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

The problem we seem to have is when you post Scripture it's the truth of God's Word.
When I post Scripture it's my opinion.

 

[101G]

The problem we seem to have is when you post Scripture it's the truth of God's Word.
When I post Scripture it's my opinion.

well try an post something from scripture. if 101G respond it is by scripture, and reprove you.
so... try a scripture, if no scripture, no reply.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

well try an post something from scripture. if 101G respond it is by scripture, and reprove you.
so... try a scripture, if no scripture, no reply.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

It doesn't matter to me if you believe in the trinity or oneness or whatever you want to call it. If you believe Jesus is God or equal to God then it's a spin off from the trinity. My Bible says Jesus is the son of God. Not God or equal to God or the same as God.

Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

[brightfame52]

God withholds His wrath and justice all of the time with restraint since He is also long suffering not willing that anyone will perish but for all to come to repentance

That verse 2 Pet 3:9 doesnt apply to the ungodly appointed to perdition by Him. In the same context Peter wrote 2 Pet 3:5-7

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Now you telling us that God is not willing that these of the ungodly, that they perish, when they are by Him under perdition. Do you know what perdition is ?
Just so you know that word perdition is the same word Paul uses for the vessels of wrath made for destruction Rom9 :22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction/perdition

Now is God waiting for them to come to repentance ? Is not willing that they shall perish ?

 

[Jim]

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction/perdition

That wrath is temporal wrath, not the wrath of eternal condemnation. The wrath of eternal condemnation is not something that can make his power known to anyone today or forever prior to Jesus' return. The only wrath that can be shown to make his power known, i.e., visible or otherwise perceivable, is his temporal wrath.

 

[brightfame52]

That wrath is temporal wrath, not the wrath of eternal condemnation. The wrath of eternal condemnation is not something that can make his power known to anyone today or forever prior to Jesus' return. The only wrath that can be shown to make his power known, i.e., visible or otherwise perceivable, is his temporal wrath.

No its not temporal, its permanent, forever

 

[Jim]

No its not temporal, its permanent, forever

And just how for any given person does that show you His wrath and make His power known to you? If it is not temporal, how do you know that it has even happened? How do you know that He has endured with much patience any given person that is prepared for destruction? The simple truth is that unless God has said that about the person it doesn't and you don't.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

No its not temporal, its permanent, forever

I would like you to give God a chance to fill your heart with the light of his love.
God has decreed upon Himself that his mercy will always overcome his wrath (4:53 of the video below)
That’s why in the Bible His mercy ( but not his wrath) is called eternal.