Data on John 1:1

[Peterlag]

One Post and one verse is all that is needed to eliminate the Judaizing Unitarian Heresy.

The Word (Preincarnate Jesus) was God. Whoever understands English and does not warp scripture knows that you've lost the argument again.

(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

It's sad that you folks were taught the trinity. I never had that teaching. I sometimes wonder if I would have bought it like the rest of you did if I ever went to a church and had a preacher showing me all these verses saying this is a hint that Jesus is God.

 

[synergy]

It's sad that you folks were taught the trinity. I never had that teaching. I sometimes wonder if I would have bought it like the rest of you did if I ever went to a church and had a preacher showing me all these verses saying this is a hint that Jesus is God.

It's not just that we were taught it. We diligently researched it and found overwhelming support for it across the entire Bible. Jesus' title "Lord" is a direct translation from his OT (LXX) title of κυριος which is the Greek name for YHWH and Adonai. Only Judaizing Unitarians scoff at that Biblical Reality.

 

[101G]

It's sad that you folks were taught the trinity. I never had that teaching. I sometimes wonder if I would have bought it like the rest of you did if I ever went to a church and had a preacher showing me all these verses saying this is a hint that Jesus is God.

GINOLJC, to all.
101G was brought up on the teaching of the trinity. 101G was like Paul who was brought up on the teaching of the Law. 101G believed his teachers, for they were here before 101G came on the scene, and 101G believed them, (had no other reason not to believe them). and that was the KEYWORD "believed" ..... them, the teachers. until 101G was ordained a teacher himself, then 101G for the first time, actually started to READ what the bible actually said, and 101G was shocked, for what was being taught was not adding up to what God said. so, 101G asked questions, many who were in position of leadership did not have convincing answers to 101G's questions. so, 101G asked God in FAITH and got all the answers that 101G was looking for. so, just because one was taught in ERROR before, if one seeks the truth, God will reveal himself to anyone who seek him in FAITH.

ye have not because ye ask not. ask God or his wisdom, and he will give it liberally.

101G (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

GINOLJC, to all.
101G was brought up on the teaching of the trinity. 101G was like Paul who was brought up on the teaching of the Law. 101G believed his teachers, for they were here before 101G came on the scene, and 101G believed them, (had no other reason not to believe them). and that was the KEYWORD "believed" ..... them, the teachers. until 101G was ordained a teacher himself, then 101G for the first time, actually started to READ what the bible actually said, and 101G was shocked, for what was being taught was not adding up to what God said. so, 101G asked questions, many who were in position of leadership did not have convincing answers to 101G's questions. so, 101G asked God in FAITH and got all the answers that 101G was looking for. so, just because one was taught in ERROR before, if one seeks the truth, God will reveal himself to anyone who seek him in FAITH.

ye have not because ye ask not. ask God or his wisdom, and he will give it liberally.

101G (AKA the anti-christ)

Dear Anti-Christ,
If God taught you that Jesus is God. Then you have the wrong God.
Peter

 

[Peterlag]

It's not just that we were taught it. We diligently researched it and found overwhelming support for it across the entire Bible. Jesus' title "Lord" is a direct translation from his OT (LXX) title of κυριος which is the Greek name for YHWH and Adonai. Only Judaizing Unitarians scoff at that Biblical Reality.

It's taught that Jesus must be God because he's called the “Lord.” The Greek word for Lord is kurios and is a masculine title of respect and nobility, which is why we see many others besides God and Jesus being called the “Lord."

• Property owners are called the "Lord" (Matthew 20:8) kurios is “owner” in the NIV.
• Heads of households are called the "Lord" (Mark 13:35) kuriosis "owner."
• Slave owners were called the "Lord" (Matthew 10:24) kuriosis "master."
• Husbands were called the "Lord" (1 Peter 3:6) kurios is "master" in the NIV.
• A son called his father the "Lord" (Matthew 21:30) kuriosis "sir."
• The Roman Emperor was called the "Lord" (Acts 25:26) kurios is "His Majesty."
• Roman authorities were called the "Lord" (Matthew 27:63) kurios is "sir."

 

[101G]

Dear Anti-Christ,
If God taught you that Jesus is God. Then you have the wrong God.
Peter

then prove 101G in ERROR by the Scriptures then. that's all, because personal opinions DO NOT COUNT....

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

then prove 101G in ERROR by the Scriptures then. that's all, because personal opinions DO NOT COUNT....

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

The English language is not a tool of communication for you.

Son of God does not mean son of God. It means God the son.
The Word does not mean one communicating. It means it's alive.
Jesus saying the Father is greater than me does not mean that. It means I too am God.

The fact that there's no teaching anywhere in the entire Bible about a trinity means nothing to you. Or that there's no verse to say we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. What many of you ask for is to have me prove there's no trinity. That's like asking me to prove from the Bible there are no cars. The Apostles did not have to tell us there were no cars. They did not write about cars because there were none.

 

[synergy]

It's taught that Jesus must be God because he's called the “Lord.” The Greek word for Lord is kurios and is a masculine title of respect and nobility, which is why we see many others besides God and Jesus being called the “Lord."

• Property owners are called the "Lord" (Matthew 20:8) kurios is “owner” in the NIV.
• Heads of households are called the "Lord" (Mark 13:35) kuriosis "owner."
• Slave owners were called the "Lord" (Matthew 10:24) kuriosis "master."
• Husbands were called the "Lord" (1 Peter 3:6) kurios is "master" in the NIV.
• A son called his father the "Lord" (Matthew 21:30) kuriosis "sir."
• The Roman Emperor was called the "Lord" (Acts 25:26) kurios is "His Majesty."
• Roman authorities were called the "Lord" (Matthew 27:63) kurios is "sir."

The Apostles did not use the name "Lord" (κυριος) for anyone besides Jesus and God the Father in the New Testament. While κυριος could be used culturally as a term of respect or authority, the Apostles specifically used "Lord" (κυριος) to indicate divine authority, reverence, or worship when referring to Jesus or God the Father.

For example, Peter addresses Jesus as "Lord" (κυριος) with the understanding of His divine nature, particularly after Jesus' resurrection (Acts 2:36). Similarly, "Lord"(κυριος) is also used in prayers addressed to God the Father (as in Acts 4:24). The Apostles reserve this title, in its spiritual sense, for the divine alone, and there is no record of them calling any other human "Lord" in the same way as they did for Jesus and the Father.

As if that wasn't enough, Jesus explicitly declared himself "I Am" (John 8:58), the very name of the OT God (Ex 3:14). Also, John declared the Word (the Preincarnate Jesus) in John 1:1 as being God, translated from θεὸς in Greek and from Elohim in Hebrew.

 

[Peterlag]

The Apostles did not use the name "Lord" (κυριος) for anyone besides Jesus and God the Father in the New Testament. While κυριος could be used culturally as a term of respect or authority, the Apostles specifically used "Lord" (κυριος) to indicate divine authority, reverence, or worship when referring to Jesus or God the Father.

For example, Peter addresses Jesus as "Lord" (κυριος) with the understanding of His divine nature, particularly after Jesus' resurrection (Acts 2:36). Similarly, "Lord"(κυριος) is also used in prayers addressed to God the Father (as in Acts 4:24). The Apostles reserve this title, in its spiritual sense, for the divine alone, and there is no record of them calling any other human "Lord" in the same way as they did for Jesus and the Father.

As if that wasn't enough, Jesus explicitly declared himself "I Am" (John 8:58), the very name of the OT God (Ex 3:14). Also, John declared the Word (the Preincarnate Jesus) in John 1:1 as being God, translated from θεὸς in Greek and from Elohim in Hebrew.

Jesus is the divine authority with reverence and worship as the son of God. The Messiah to Israel and the Lord Christ to the Christian. Why you have to make him God is what I just don't get.

 

[synergy]

Jesus is the divine authority with reverence and worship as the son of God. The Messiah to Israel and the Lord Christ to the Christian. Why you have to make him God is what I just don't get.

Nobody "makes him God". He is God. Apostle John declared in John 1:1 that the Word (the Preincarnate Jesus) in John 1:1 is God, translated from θεὸς in Greek and from Elohim in Hebrew.

 

[101G]

The English language is not a tool of communication for you.

Son of God does not mean son of God. It means God the son.
The Word does not mean one communicating. It means it's alive.
Jesus saying the Father is greater than me does not mean that. It means I too am God.

first nor you. and two "Son of God" means flesh bone and blood a body that God as the Ordinal Last came in. and the Greater than I means in diversity in that body in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state.

The fact that there's no teaching anywhere in the entire Bible about a trinity means nothing to you.

101G is not a trinitarian. so it means nothing to 101G.

Or that there's no verse to say we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

101G gave them to U

That's like asking me to prove from the Bible there are no cars

that's easy, did it mention any?

The Apostles did not have to tell us there were no cars. They did not write about cars because there were none.

see above.
your point? don't have one do you.

now can you ADDRESS as to who sits on the throne in Revelation chapter 4 and 11? is it the Father or the son? your answer please.

this is in the bible.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. All you folks ever put in front of me are bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. Also there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. Such a concept accomplishes nothing. Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

 

[Peterlag]

first nor you. and two "Son of God" means flesh bone and blood a body that God as the Ordinal Last came in. and the Greater than I means in diversity in that body in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state.

101G is not a trinitarian. so it means nothing to 101G.

101G gave them to U

that's easy, did it mention any?

see above.
your point? don't have one do you.

now can you ADDRESS as to who sits on the throne in Revelation chapter 4 and 11? is it the Father or the son? your answer please.

this is in the bible.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

There is no verse anywhere that says Christians should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[101G]

There is no verse anywhere that says Christians should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

once again, Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

is the "Lord" the Father? let the bible tell us. Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." is not the creator God, who is Father? Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

now let's made it perfectly clear. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." this is the PERSON JESUS, the Word who made all things. now let's see who the WORD is that made all things. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" if this is not the same one person then you have two creators. and get this, he was ALONE, and By himself.... (smile).

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

once again, Philippians 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

is the "Lord" the Father? let the bible tell us. Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." is not the creator God, who is Father? Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

now let's made it perfectly clear. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." this is the PERSON JESUS, the Word who made all things. now let's see who the WORD is that made all things. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" if this is not the same one person then you have two creators. and get this, he was ALONE, and By himself.... (smile).

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

You are jumping from one administration into another. Into the Old Testament and then into the New. If I jump like that I can prove Peter was with Adam and Eve.

 

[101G]

You are jumping from one administration into another. Into the Old Testament and then into the New. If I jump like that I can prove Peter was with Adam and Eve.

LOL, LOL, LOL, the same one person, listen, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

now...... you can make Peter into Adam and Eve, or Steve........ YIKES!

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[Peterlag]

LOL, LOL, LOL, the same one person, listen, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

now...... you can make Peter into Adam and Eve, or Steve........ YIKES!

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

Yeah this is how you jump all over the Bible and I will do what you do and in doing so prove the Apostle Peter was in the garden with Eve. There's a verse where Satan is in the garden with Eve. Got it. Not listen and learn. There's also a verse where Jesus calls Peter Satan when he says get behind me. So putting all this together means Peter was the one with Eve in the garden.

 

[101G]

Yeah this is how you jump all over the Bible

was this not God command to do? let's check the record. Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

here a little, and there a little as said, don't argue with 101G, argue with God. ...... yikes!

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

was this not God command to do? let's check the record. Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

here a little, and there a little as said, don't argue with 101G, argue with God. ...... yikes!

101G.

God does not have important subjects scattered all over the Bible. If it's important. Then it's taught on one page. The trinity is not taught on one page because there's no such thing as a trinity or the concept of Jesus being God. If you want to teach that Jesus is God. Then you should be able to do it staying on one page in the Bible. Don't tell me God scattered bits and pieces all over the place because He wanted to make it difficult.

 

[101G]

God does not have important subjects scattered all over the Bible. If it's important. Then it's taught on one page.

GINOLJC, to all.
that's your downfall, you refuse to listen to God. example, Revelation 11:3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Revelation 11:4 "These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." Revelation 11:5 "And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed." what is the Fire in the two witnesses mouths? is the answer right there in the verses? if so please tell us and 101G will confirm, or tell you where the answer is at in the bible. .... NOW YOUR ANSWER PLEASE. and we will see if what you claim is true. and you said that it's right there in one page. so tell us ... please in the one page.

will be looking for your answer in one page.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)