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@Peterlag.
Understand this scripture…. Please. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

A MANY of years ago, the Lord Jesus gave 101G understanding of the scripture. One do not study to KNOW GOD, NO, one study to SHOW God that you’re interested in his Word. He must be “REVEALED” unto us. So studying all you want will not give you any wisdom of God. one must acknowledge GOD, and let him teach us. When one put their education ahead of God, … as the old folk use to say, “he’s nothing but a educated fool”.

Now, let 101G be clear. There is nothing wrong in getting an education. Just don’t put it ahead of God.

There is nothing more dangerous to IGNORANCE that an educated man or women who let God lead them.

As the scriptures clearly states, Proverbs 4:7 "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding."

In much GL.

101G.
 
101G said:
@Peterlag.
Understand this scripture…. Please. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

A MANY of years ago, the Lord Jesus gave 101G understanding of the scripture. One do not study to KNOW GOD, NO, one study to SHOW God that you’re interested in his Word. He must be “REVEALED” unto us. So studying all you want will not give you any wisdom of God. one must acknowledge GOD, and let him teach us. When one put their education ahead of God, … as the old folk use to say, “he’s nothing but a educated fool”.

Now, let 101G be clear. There is nothing wrong in getting an education. Just don’t put it ahead of God.

There is nothing more dangerous to IGNORANCE that an educated man or women who let God lead them.

As the scriptures clearly states, Proverbs 4:7 "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding."

In much GL.

101G.
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I did all that already.
 
101G said:
without God's approval. just as the scriptures states, Matthew 15:7 "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying," Matthew 15:8 "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."

PAPER don't count. it is the Spirit that gives LIFE... KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING. .... (smile) .... :cool:

in MUCH GL.

101G.
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What? I can't graduate? Should I give the knowledge back?
 
If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.
 
Peterlag said:
I never cared for the Catholic doctrine or the philosophy of its protestant sisters.

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible.
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The entire New Testament is a teaching on them.
Peterlag said:
No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
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There is a reason for that. It falls under the same reasoning that Jesus said in Matt 13:11 about parables...........................
11He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Peterlag said:
It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible
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Why?...... when even Nicodemus could not understand straight from Jesus mouth. Not everyone has the gift of understanding.
Peterlag said:
and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach.
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How many of you are tired of doing the home work for others..... show of hands please. wavey.gif

Now @ Peterlag please read and take notes... there may be a test. This is one.... You can find the others for yourself.

Focus on God - Old Roman Creed

www.focus-on-god.org www.focus-on-god.org

Origin and Significance in the Churches​

The Old Roman Creed (Romanum) is one of the first known statements of faith of Christianity, based on which later the Apostles' Creed developed. It was originally written in the Greek language, and was translated into Latin by Rufinus of Aquileia.

Whether the Romanum came into existence between the years 125 and 135 is contended. Instead of being the statement of faith at baptism in the city of Rome it is claimed to be, the text may be the the personal statement of faith of Marcellus of Ancyra, that became widely used in the West as Symbolicum Apostolicum after its reception in the church in Rome in the 4th century. [2]

[1]
The words of the creed were copied on 17.10.2010 from the following site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Roman_Symbol.

The words in brackets ("the life everlasting") are based on the translation from the Latin text found at Early Christian Creeds, Longman, 1972, pp. 102 per the source mentioned above.


[2]
The section "Origin and Significance in the Churches" is a translation of a text taken on 02.10.2010 from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altrömisches_Glaubensbekenntnis.


Old Roman Creed​

I believe in God the Father almighty;
and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord,
Who was born from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,
Who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried,
on the third day rose again from the dead,
ascended to heaven,
sits at the right hand of the Father,
whence He will come to judge the living and the dead,
and in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Church,
the remission of sins,
the resurrection of the flesh
(the life everlasting). [1]

The Old Roman Creed (also known as Old Roman Symbol) is an earlier and shorter version of the Apostles’ Creed. 2nd-century church fathers Tertullian and Irenaeus mention it in their writings.






Peterlag said:
God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.
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Nick wasn't tipping_hat_smiley.gif

Now not getting into the trinity per say... as you are among those who do not believe Jesus was/is God.....

Read very carefully what 1 Corinthians 8:6 says

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

New International Version
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

NASB 1995
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Check out bible hub for the entire list of translations...

This says......
There is but one God.!!!!! and who is that???? the Father and Lord Jesus, Christ.

THAT IS IN THE BIBLE..... YOU CAN NO LONGER DENY.
 
Peterlag said:
Ask who? God?
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why ask God? your doctrine didn't, nor your theological beliefs come from God.
now if you have anything to discuss concerning 101G's rebut of your false beliefs in post #167, else this conversation is ended.

in much GL.

101G
 
@Peterlag

I receive emails of subjects I have been interested in and I just saw this today.
They send papers, usually in PDF form and this one certainly is needed now.

I am expecting you to disagree, but don't be too hasty about it.... just think.

I cannot copy it here as being a PDF, even though only a draft, it scrambles....

The link is https://www.academia.edu/30354503/D...hristian_Community?email_work_card=view-paper and is a 38 minute read.

Title is

Didache and Trinity: Proto-Trinitarianism in an Early Christian Community

Daniel F.J. Nessim ETS San Antonio, TX November 16, 2016

I do hope you will take the opportunity to see someone other then those on the forum explaining
 
Runningman said:
That doesn't mean Jesus acted to resurrect himself. The kind of authority that Jesus was referring to the lay down his life and take it up again was of the passive variety in which God was going to resurrected Jesus. I guess there is at least a dozen places around the New Testament where Jesus isn't even have said to have resurrected himself once. Therefore God didn't die. First and Last doesn't mean someone is God.
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Sure it does- destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up agains.

You make Jesus words above a lie.

John 2:19-22
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

The Disciples believed Jesus words why don't you ?
 
civic said:
Sure it does- destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up agains.

You make Jesus words above a lie.

John 2:19-22
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

The Disciples believed Jesus words why don't you ?
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In order for your interpretation of what Jesus said to be valid, if he raised up the temple then he would have had to destroy the temple. I hope you don't think Jesus committed suicide. He was speaking prophetically about what would happen, hence why the Bible never says Jesus resurrected himself.

Actually, you showed the very verse that proves Jesus did not resurrect himself. As you can see, "After he was raised from the dead..." is written in the third person perspective so as to suggest Jesus was acted on by someone external to himself to resurrect him.

John 2
22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
 
Runningman said:
In order for your interpretation of what Jesus said to be valid, if he raised up the temple then he would have had to destroy the temple. I hope you don't think Jesus committed suicide. He was speaking prophetically about what would happen, hence why the Bible never says Jesus resurrected himself.

Actually, you showed the very verse that proves Jesus did not resurrect himself. As you can see, "After he was raised from the dead..." is written in the third person perspective so as to suggest Jesus was acted on by someone external to himself to resurrect him.

John 2
22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
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Way off as He said you destroy this temple

Next fallacy
 
MTMattie said:
@Peterlag

I receive emails of subjects I have been interested in and I just saw this today.
They send papers, usually in PDF form and this one certainly is needed now.

I am expecting you to disagree, but don't be too hasty about it.... just think.

I cannot copy it here as being a PDF, even though only a draft, it scrambles....

The link is https://www.academia.edu/30354503/D...hristian_Community?email_work_card=view-paper and is a 38 minute read.

Title is

Didache and Trinity: Proto-Trinitarianism in an Early Christian Community

Daniel F.J. Nessim ETS San Antonio, TX November 16, 2016

I do hope you will take the opportunity to see someone other then those on the forum explaining
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I would read some of it probably not more than a few paragraphs before I found something wrong with it if I could just read it. However, they want me to login or download stuff and my computer doesn't like that.
 
MTMattie said:
The entire New Testament is a teaching on them.


There is a reason for that. It falls under the same reasoning that Jesus said in Matt 13:11 about parables...........................
11He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.


Why?...... when even Nicodemus could not understand straight from Jesus mouth. Not everyone has the gift of understanding.


How many of you are tired of doing the home work for others..... show of hands please. View attachment 1361

Now @ Peterlag please read and take notes... there may be a test. This is one.... You can find the others for yourself.

Focus on God - Old Roman Creed

www.focus-on-god.org www.focus-on-god.org

Origin and Significance in the Churches​

The Old Roman Creed (Romanum) is one of the first known statements of faith of Christianity, based on which later the Apostles' Creed developed. It was originally written in the Greek language, and was translated into Latin by Rufinus of Aquileia.

Whether the Romanum came into existence between the years 125 and 135 is contended. Instead of being the statement of faith at baptism in the city of Rome it is claimed to be, the text may be the the personal statement of faith of Marcellus of Ancyra, that became widely used in the West as Symbolicum Apostolicum after its reception in the church in Rome in the 4th century. [2]

[1]
The words of the creed were copied on 17.10.2010 from the following site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Roman_Symbol.

The words in brackets ("the life everlasting") are based on the translation from the Latin text found at Early Christian Creeds, Longman, 1972, pp. 102 per the source mentioned above.


[2]
The section "Origin and Significance in the Churches" is a translation of a text taken on 02.10.2010 from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altrömisches_Glaubensbekenntnis.


Old Roman Creed​

I believe in God the Father almighty;
and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord,
Who was born from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,
Who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried,
on the third day rose again from the dead,
ascended to heaven,
sits at the right hand of the Father,
whence He will come to judge the living and the dead,
and in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Church,
the remission of sins,
the resurrection of the flesh
(the life everlasting). [1]

The Old Roman Creed (also known as Old Roman Symbol) is an earlier and shorter version of the Apostles’ Creed. 2nd-century church fathers Tertullian and Irenaeus mention it in their writings.








Nick wasn't View attachment 1362

Now not getting into the trinity per say... as you are among those who do not believe Jesus was/is God.....

Read very carefully what 1 Corinthians 8:6 says

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

New International Version
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

NASB 1995
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Check out bible hub for the entire list of translations...

This says......
There is but one God.!!!!! and who is that???? the Father and Lord Jesus, Christ.

THAT IS IN THE BIBLE..... YOU CAN NO LONGER DENY.
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Which verse says that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
 
Runningman said:
In order for your interpretation of what Jesus said to be valid, if he raised up the temple then he would have had to destroy the temple. I hope you don't think Jesus committed suicide. He was speaking prophetically about what would happen, hence why the Bible never says Jesus resurrected himself.

Actually, you showed the very verse that proves Jesus did not resurrect himself. As you can see, "After he was raised from the dead..." is written in the third person perspective so as to suggest Jesus was acted on by someone external to himself to resurrect him.

John 2
22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.
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How can anyone convince you of the deity of Christ when you even deny the ambiguity between Christ saying he will raise it in 3 days and then John 2 speaking in the passive sense of being raised? You even try to override that Jesus said he will raise it. You seem to find it sufficient to find a verse that maybe seems in conflict with another verse such that you deny the verse that speaks of Christ divinity in the Godhead.

How often do you expect to repeat that tactic without people calling out foul?
 
mikesw said:
How can anyone convince you of the deity of Christ when you even deny the ambiguity between Christ saying he will raise it in 3 days and then John 2 speaking in the passive sense of being raised? You even try to override that Jesus said he will raise it. You seem to find it sufficient to find a verse that maybe seems in conflict with another verse such that you deny the verse that speaks of Christ divinity in the Godhead.

How often do you expect to repeat that tactic without people calling out foul?
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Prove Jesus is in the Godhead then. Book, chapter, verse please. I've never read anything like that in any Bible.
 

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