I didn't say wisdom was created-the being God sent to earth who was by his side during the creation is the FIRSTBORN of all creation-created direct, first and last, became Jesus as a mortal.
Your Views on The Trinity
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Bronson
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Here Paul is showing the Father and the Son in Their divinity
NOW ABOUT food offered to idols: of course we know that all of us possess knowledge [concerning these matters. Yet mere] knowledge causes people to be puffed up (to bear themselves loftily and be proud), but love (affection and goodwill and benevolence) edifies and builds up and encourages one to grow [to his full stature].
2 If anyone imagines that he has come to know and understand much [of divine things, without love], he does not yet perceive and recognize and understand as strongly and clearly, nor has he become as intimately acquainted with anything as he ought or as is necessary.
3 But if one loves God truly [with affectionate reverence, prompt obedience, and grateful recognition of His blessing], he is known by God [recognized as worthy of His intimacy and love, and he is owned by Him].
4 In this matter, then, of eating food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing (has no real existence) and that there is no God but one. [Deut. 6:4.]
5 For although there may be so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many of them, both of gods and of lords and masters,
6 Yet for us there is [only] one God, the Father, Who is the Source of all things and for Whom we [have life], and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through and by Whom are all things and through and by Whom we [ourselves exist].
NOW ABOUT food offered to idols: of course we know that all of us possess knowledge [concerning these matters. Yet mere] knowledge causes people to be puffed up (to bear themselves loftily and be proud), but love (affection and goodwill and benevolence) edifies and builds up and encourages one to grow [to his full stature].
2 If anyone imagines that he has come to know and understand much [of divine things, without love], he does not yet perceive and recognize and understand as strongly and clearly, nor has he become as intimately acquainted with anything as he ought or as is necessary.
3 But if one loves God truly [with affectionate reverence, prompt obedience, and grateful recognition of His blessing], he is known by God [recognized as worthy of His intimacy and love, and he is owned by Him].
4 In this matter, then, of eating food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing (has no real existence) and that there is no God but one. [Deut. 6:4.]
5 For although there may be so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many of them, both of gods and of lords and masters,
6 Yet for us there is [only] one God, the Father, Who is the Source of all things and for Whom we [have life], and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through and by Whom are all things and through and by Whom we [ourselves exist].
So are you saying the Word was uncreated?
Sorry, it's not Jesus you are believing but the Watchtower
101G
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To, all. question, "Who raised up the Lord Jesus body? scripture, Acts 3:26 "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities."
so, God here have to be the Father in the trinity... correct. remember the scripture said, " God, having raised up his Son Jesus". now 101G is asking all trinitarians,unitarians, and anyone else to read now,
John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." (READ THAT VERSE AGAIN). John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."
101G is asking all, who raised up the body of the Lord Jesus? anyone can answer.
101G.
All three are stated to raise Christ
The one you did not mention
Romans 8:11 (AMP) — 11 And if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, [then] He Who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also restore to life your mortal (short-lived, perishable) bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you.
God sent Michael-a created being.
100% undeniable fact= In every translation on earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers as does Israelite true God worship history. You best learn what Jesus actually teaches.
Sorry, that is another false claim. Just note the many passages you are not able to rebut. The angel of the Lord - the word of God is himself God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Yahweh and is worshiped
You did not answer the question
Was he uncreated, or was Jehovah once without wisdom?
Why did you run from it?
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
did not the Lord Jesus raised up his body? if the other two are separate and distinct, then the Lord Jesus LIED (God forbid), when he said he, and not us raised up his body.
so no, not three raised up the body of the Lord Jesus, but only ONE PERSON, and the Lord JESUS said HE, one person raised up his body, so you deliberately mislead with your answer as all three raised up his body. so your credibility is flawed again.
now do you deny this verse, John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
how many is I? ... answer ONE PERSON, so TomL, why did you act as your father the devil in trying to mislead? what is your excuse?
101G.
Nope. No lie. The three work as one
Um its your theology which is condemned as being of the devil not mine
101G
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Nope edit by Admin, the scriptures are clear, John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
I is a single designation. ..... no three at all. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
these scriptures ... are TRUE. when God send you a delusion, 101G feel sorry for you. GOOD day.
101G
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Neil Spargo
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It was a work of God The Son. Jesus.
And the Father and the Spirit
As is this
Romans 8:11 (AMP) — 11 And if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, [then] He Who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also restore to life your mortal (short-lived, perishable) bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you.
Acts 2:32 (LEB) — 32 This Jesus God raised up, of which we all are witnesses.
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Neil Spargo
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You got it... 3 in 1
101G
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it was the ONE TRUE GOD JESUS, the Almighty. so the pronoun I is a three? LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL. the scriptures are true, Isaiah 5:13 "Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst." Isaiah 5:14 "Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it."
101G
101G
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to all who believe in the three in one godhead. the scriptures are true. 2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" 2 Timothy 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
if this is now those times. Romans 1:25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
101G.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
if this is now those times. Romans 1:25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
101G.
Its 100% fact-you best relook.
