Your Views on The Trinity

[Peterlag]

Well, it would be like taking all of your writings and posts, cherry picking the things you said out of context, to make it sound like you're saying something that you were not actually saying. All of the Trinitarian prooftexts are immediately contradicted by the context, which they tend to avoid like the plague.

Oh my God you're brilliant. They do the same thing to me. Cherry pick the things I say out of context to make me sound like I'm saying something else.

 

[Runningman]

Who is the us?

The "us" is most likely those who God is with. No others are defined as stated to be with God other than the divine assembly.

Psalm 82
1 God presides in the divine assembly;
He renders judgment among the gods:

Can you find any evidence of who the "us" is? I am not saying produce an argument about who you think it is. Drop some names, titles, or references to who exactly it is.

 

[Runningman]

Oh my God you're brilliant. They do the same thing to me. Cherry pick the things I say out of context to make me sound like I'm saying something else.

Not surprised. You said "Jesus is God" in post #2169. That's a sound-bite to them. They can use it and manipulate it, but the entire context of what you said is "This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God." which actually means you are saying Jesus is not God. All of the Trinitarian arguments I've seen just misrepresent the context. I've rarely seen pointing out the context be effective in correcting the issue.

They have done it to me, too.

 

[mikesw]

This fallacy is what is called an appeal to hidden "truths" and an argument from ignorance. The Bible already plainly identifies God as the Father. Paul even explicitly said that for us (Christians) there is but one God the Father. You're saying people need to know what the words in the Bible "signify." It is clear the trinity can only survive if those such as yourself attempt to usurp authority from the Bible and claim a special authority without evidence.

summing up of scripture is not denying the authority of scripture. The unitarian appears to hyper-literalize scripture and thus deny its actual content. It is true we have to understand scripture, not just make a single verse (John 17:3) as the sole instruction to interpret all scripture, especially when forgetting verse 5.
So we are given the choice to follow all scripture or one verse when interpreting the broad scriptures. That's all

 

[Studyman]

"The doctrine of the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine... it's the product of theological reflection." - The Christian Doctrine of God Trinitarian. E. Brunner, 1949, p. 236.

Please actually read the posts you reply to, and then address them. Nowhere do I support or promote a triune god. I am not interested in any of the "other voices" in the garden God placed me in, only what the Scriptures actually say. I know there is nowhere in Scriptures where a triune god is promoted. If you were to read my post, you would know this.

 

[FreeInChrist]

For the sake of consistency, if God is more than one person then He would be consistently be referred to in the plural "Us, We, They, Them" and so on. Never happens in the Bible. God is always referred to with singular pronouns throughout 100% of the Bible.

The "Us" in Genesis doesn't refer to a Trinity. There is no mentioned of a Trinity in the Bible in the first place.

why is there an US there?

"Us" is plural and "He" is singular. An Us doesn't suddenly became a He because God is always referred to in the singular in the Bible. God is the Father, YHWH, not the Trinity.

Naw... you dont understand the "Royal" We. The royal we, or majestic plural, was introduced to England by William Longchamp in the late 12th century, following the practices of the Chancery of Apostolic Briefs. However, specific examples of its use can be traced back to monarchs like Henry II and Richard I

These prove an Us does become a he, yet this is not what the US from God's perfect mouth is saying.

If you could understand, and I know you are blocked from that, then you would know that God is perfectly acceptable to use for any of the three singularly. Or in combination with each other.

 

[Runningman]

summing up of scripture is not denying the authority of scripture. The unitarian appears to hyper-literalize scripture and thus deny its actual content. It is true we have to understand scripture, not just make a single verse (John 17:3) as the sole instruction to interpret all scripture, especially when forgetting verse 5.
So we are given the choice to follow all scripture or one verse when interpreting the broad scriptures. That's all

You aren't referring to the authority of scripture. You are referring to the "special authority" and "secret knowledge" that only you seem to possess or know how to find. I am saying the Bible is already explicit and authoritative about there being only one God who is the Father as it is already plainly stated in black and white for the world to see. You are at a great disadvantage if you think you can make words not mean what the do and change what the Bible says at face value.

 

[Runningman]

why is there an US there?

Naw... you dont understand the "Royal" We. The royal we, or majestic plural, was introduced to England by William Longchamp in the late 12th century, following the practices of the Chancery of Apostolic Briefs. However, specific examples of its use can be traced back to monarchs like Henry II and Richard I

These prove an Us does become a he, yet this is not what the US from God's perfect mouth is saying.

If you could understand, and I know you are blocked from that, then you would know that God is perfectly acceptable to use for any of the three singularly. Or in combination with each other.

Where does the Bible say that refers to a trinity?

 

[FreeInChrist]

The "us" is most likely those who God is with. No others are defined as stated to be with God other than the divine assembly.

Psalm 82
1 God presides in the divine assembly;
He renders judgment among the gods:

Can you find any evidence of who the "us" is? I am not saying produce an argument about who you think it is. Drop some names, titles, or references to who exactly it is.

WE KNOW... unless Gen 1:2 is false... that ... and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters 1:3 Then God said, Let there be light”; and there was light.

So that makes 2 and could well be the US He was referring to.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Where does the Bible say that refers to a trinity?

I did not say the T word.... here.

We know that The God was there. We know that the Spirit was there. and if you truly believe the words of the bible are Godly inspired we know The Word was there.... John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.... in every translation you can find except the NWT which has changed event the meaning of the original Greek and Original Aramaic.

But I never said the T word. because I know that you will discount the Spirit as being separate even though the reading of Gen 1 and 2 indicates they are.

 

[DavidTree]

Interesting about those PERSONAL PRONOUNS Jesus uses.

Lets just toss basic grammar right out the window, and basic definitions of words and place our personal beliefs above Scripture and Jesus teachings.

@Runningman

My Brother in Christ @civic brought UP a very important aspect of Truth concerning the pronouns specifically expressed by the LORD, which makes them irrevocable and unchangeable.

@Runningman, Do you believe in transgender?

 

[Runningman]

WE KNOW... unless Gen 1:2 is false... that ... and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters 1:3 Then God said, Let there be light”; and there was light.

So that makes 2 and could well be the US He was referring to.

The Spirit of God is God. Just one God who has a Spirit. Your spirit isn't a sperate person from yourself is it?

 

[Runningman]

I did not say the T word.... here.

We know that The God was there. We know that the Spirit was there. and if you truly believe the words of the bible are Godly inspired we know The Word was there.... John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.... in every translation you can find except the NWT which has changed event the meaning of the original Greek and Original Aramaic.

But I never said the T word. because I know that you will discount the Spirit as being separate even though the reading of Gen 1 and 2 indicates they are.

Words aren't God anywhere in the Bible. You have not demonstrated that the Spirit of God is someone else who was with God. You're on the right track. You're going to find that YHWH (the Father) never spoke to the Spirit, or vice versa, anywhere in the entire Bible.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman

My Brother in Christ @civic brought UP a very important aspect of Truth concerning the pronouns specifically expressed by the LORD, which makes them irrevocable and unchangeable.

@Runningman, Do you believe in transgender?

??

What?

 

[FreeInChrist]

The Spirit of God is God. Just one God who has a Spirit. Your spirit isn't a sperate person from yourself is it?

My comment in #2190

"But I never said the T word. because I know that you will discount the Spirit as being separate even though the reading of Gen 1 and 2 indicates they are."

See, I was right. Your reputation precedes you.

 

[DavidTree]

The Spirit of God is God. Just one God who has a Spirit. Your spirit isn't a sperate person from yourself is it?

Elohim is not the created.

 

[civic]

Civic,

In your understanding, would this be the same Holy Spirit that was given to Zacharias in Luke 1: 67 "And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people"?

Yes or no.

no

 

[Runningman]

My comment in #2190

"But I never said the T word. because I know that you will discount the Spirit as being separate even though the reading of Gen 1 and 2 indicates they are."

Dee, I was right. Your reputation precedes you.

Someone's spirit is never said to be a different person to one's own self in the Bible. You're making too many assumptions because you don't know who God is.

Here's a question, if the Spirit of God is a third person, then the below verse means the Father and Son have no idea what the thoughts of God are?

1 Corinthians 2
11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

 

[Runningman]

Elohim is not the created.

God is always described with singular pronouns. Means He isn't more than one person. End of story.

 

[DavidTree]

Civic,

In your understanding, would this be the same Holy Spirit that was given to Zacharias in Luke 1: 67 "And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people"?

Yes or no.

Yes

Same Spirit

Is JESUS the same Spirit as His FATHER = "I and my FATHER are One"

Did Zacharias come down from Heaven Above as the Word that was God came down and became flesh???