Why The Trinity is Wrong: Language Usage

Fred said:
Irrelevant.

The Hebrew word for "Associate" always refers to another person - never the same person.
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NO, Relevant. and the SECOND ERROR of the Day. well lets see,
Fellow: H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

well ANOTHER word that is synonyms with "ANOTHER" when used as an Adjective, to Denotes an addition to something to increase what already exists, is in addition. one can find this information here, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/another.html#C0-1

NOW, let's see this "in addition RIGHT in Scriptures in the OT. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." Fred, tell us HOW MANY PERSON IS "I", as here is the LORD, all cap/Father? ONE PERSON, Correct. now the LORD one person is WITH, WITH, WITH, the LAST Correct. and the LORD who is a "I" is a single ONE person... Correct.... NOW THIS, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." the SAME ONE PERSON, because guess what "ALSO" means? Listen, in addition; too. just what Associate/God's FELLOW means, he's the SAME "ONE" PERSON..... Oh my, my, my, my, this is just too easy not to understand. Jesus the Christ is GOD, himself in Flesh as a MAN. people just don't believe the bible.

well Fred, do you understand now. God's Associate is him, God in Flesh as the ANOTHER. please don't let 101G explain the Greek term ANOTHER to you... (smile), it's more revealing that the Hebrew.

if you need help in understanding, or need the Greek understanding of "ANOTHER" just ask. .... :cool:

101G.
 
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Fred said:
The Hebrew word in Zechariah 13:7 always refers to another person.
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ERROR, not in the "ECHAD" of the same SOURCE. this is where you FAIL at, and many others. God is the EQUAL SHARE of HIMSELF in Flesh. you say Jesus is God, but you don't KNOW HOW he is God in flesh. and when 101G explain it to you, you reject, not 101G, but God truth. for if there was something wrong in 101G's explanation, then point it out.... but you didn't, because there is nothing to point out in error. so you have no creditability with 101G anymore. I can careless what you think of 101G, but when one cannot accept God Holy Word as truth, then 101G is done with them, so good day.

To all,
the Term "ALSO" in Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." kills any trinity Doctrine, stone dead. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." with as in John 1:1 clearly shows that the Word of God is "also" God, just as John 1:1c states. THIS IS THROUGH-OUT THE OT ALSO.

so there is no excuse as the Holy Spirit said via his holy apostle Paul, Romans 1:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

101G.
 
Fred said:
is all yours.

It's so nice not reading 99% of your longwinded laborious posts.
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this is just what 101G speak of. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
 
101G said:
this is just what 101G speak of. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."
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So stop babbling and believe the Bible in that it teaches the word used in Zechariah 13:7 never refers to the same person.
 
synergy said:
Interesting book. He mentions the Heretics Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, progressive Christians, Muslims, Unitarians but he misses out on the Primary Source of this Heresy: Judaizers.
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Perhaps, but I am not sure the Judaizers would have denied the Deity of Christ.
 
Runningman said:
Was Jesus a Judaizer for denying he's God?

Mark 10
18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.
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He is actually saying He is God in that passage- nice spin on the text to say the opposite of what Jesus was teaching.
 
Runningman said:
Was Jesus a Judaizer for denying he's God?

Mark 10
18“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.
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Asking doesn't necessitate denying.


I am an American.
I went to South Korea in the 1990’s to teach English in a city that wasn't very large. When some children would see me, they would say, "Miguk saramimnida!" (미국 사람입니다!) meaning "You are an American!" However, they did this to many foreigners. Had I been able to speak Korean to them at that time I would have asked them "Why do you call me an American?" or "What makes you say that I am an American?" In both questions I am simply asking them the reason why they are calling me an American, but at no time was I denying being an American.
Once again, asking doesn't necessitate a denial.

Jesus affirmed that God alone is good, but He is not denying He is good nor is He denying being God. He is saying "God alone" is good, but that doesn't mean Jesus excludes Himself from being good or from being God.


Revelation 15:4
Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name?
For You alone are holy;
For all the nations will come and worship before You,
For Your righteous acts have been revealed.

God alone is good in that He alone is absolutely holy. His holiness and goodness correspond to one another. Since the Lord Jesus is absolutely holy proves He is 'good' in that He is God. Notice from Revelation 15:4 the holiness of God links with Him being worshiped. None but God should be worshiped, because none but God is absolutely holy (= good). The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of worship in equality with the Father (Revelation 5:13-14) which demonstrates the Lord Jesus is absolutely holy/good (= God).

Mark 10:18 -------------------------> Revelation 15:4
No one is good except God alone = You alone are holy
 
civic said:
He is actually saying He is God in that passage- nice spin on the text to say the opposite of what Jesus was teaching.
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In context, a man called Jesus good teacher because Jesus was a teacher, but Jesus' teachings were not even his own (John 14:24) and that Jesus was taught by God (John 8:28.) So rather than simply saying something like "Thank you" Jesus deferred to God, not himself, as the one who is good. Jesus had a good, classy, answer and did not seek his own glory here. Jesus effectively denied being God here. There are several places where Jesus denied being God. Do you say Jesus is a Judaizer too?
 
Fred said:
Asking doesn't necessitate denying.


I am an American.
I went to South Korea in the 1990’s to teach English in a city that wasn't very large. When some children would see me, they would say, "Miguk saramimnida!" (미국 사람입니다!) meaning "You are an American!" However, they did this to many foreigners. Had I been able to speak Korean to them at that time I would have asked them "Why do you call me an American?" or "What makes you say that I am an American?" In both questions I am simply asking them the reason why they are calling me an American, but at no time was I denying being an American.
Once again, asking doesn't necessitate a denial.

Jesus affirmed that God alone is good, but He is not denying He is good nor is He denying being God. He is saying "God alone" is good, but that doesn't mean Jesus excludes Himself from being good or from being God.


Revelation 15:4
Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name?
For You alone are holy;
For all the nations will come and worship before You,
For Your righteous acts have been revealed.

God alone is good in that He alone is absolutely holy. His holiness and goodness correspond to one another. Since the Lord Jesus is absolutely holy proves He is 'good' in that He is God. Notice from Revelation 15:4 the holiness of God links with Him being worshiped. None but God should be worshiped, because none but God is absolutely holy (= good). The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of worship in equality with the Father (Revelation 5:13-14) which demonstrates the Lord Jesus is absolutely holy/good (= God).

Mark 10:18 -------------------------> Revelation 15:4
No one is good except God alone = You alone are holy
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a man who defers to God as the only one being good isn't himself God.
 

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