Only a pagan thinker would even entertain the possibility that there are multiple gods. Trinitarians are far above that. You need to break out of that pagan way of thinking, even if you claim that you don't believe it.
Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition
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civic
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Is a husband and a wife that become married ?
a- one marriage, one flesh
b- two marriages and two flesh
which one is the biblical answer ?
hope this helps !!!
101G
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Doug Brents
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More's the pity, he doesn't believe the truth.101G is not Trinitarian ...... (smile).....
101G
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Oh, you cannot understand what 101G said? " just because a vision was shown in HEAVEN, do not necessarily mean the event took place in heaven." case in point, Revelation chapter 12, it happen on EARTH, the Birth of Christ, and all the major player are there, just keep one hand on Revelation chapter 12, and your other hand on Matthews chapter 2. this is a vision shown in heaven that happen on EARTH...... Oh MY, MY, MY. this is basic bible study, you should have known this.
try Hebrews 1:1-3.... (smile). and the rest of the Chapter proves who he is...... GOD ALMIGHTY IN NOW GLORIFIED FLESH.
..... Oh Just smell the coffee...
are U sure, or is it you? have 101G not answer U, again, and again? well 101G will do is again in a different way. John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
now LISTEN CLOSLEY, Luke 24:38 "And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?" Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." now this,
1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;" 1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)" (STOP, that was "WITH" the Father?)
NOW, who only has ETERNAL LIFE? ANSWER, the Lord JESUS, Listen and Learn, 1 Timothy 6:13 "I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;" 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
who "ONLY" have IMMORTALITY. and only means, and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively. checkmate.
was the Lord Jesus seen, John declared him. and yes, JESUS is the "ONLY" God. now if you have another God beside the Lord Jesus, then you're into polytheism. plain and simple........
Coffee anyone..... good to the Last Drop. .... 101G.
Wrangler
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Language usage.
Whenever you use a noun, it refers to the entirety of that thing. What you are referring to May be a part of that thing but not another thing.
For instance, apple. When someone says an apple is rotten, it refers to the apple as a whole, the current nature or condition of the apple. Even if only part of the Apple is rotten and other parts are still edible, this is how language is used.
We never say something about an apple to mean to apply something else to another piece of fruit. In this way we must understand juxtaposition. God - in his wholeness, in all that encompasses the Being - is the one who raised another Being Jesus.
When we say the apple is rotten, we refer to the entirety of the apple. When we say God raised Jesus, we refer to all of God did the action of raising and not Jesus doing the action. Jesus is the object of the sentence, being acted upon.
And Jesus was acted upon by God - in his entitety, in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature for this is what it means to refer to God - not part of God.
When I say I am replying to 101G, I am not replying to part of 101G but all that encompasses 101G.
101G
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who told U that LIE? John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 disprove any trinity, or any 2 God type system. now answer "WHO MADE ALL THINGS, the "LORD", Isaiah 44:23, or the "Lord", John 1:3.... your answer please.
101G.
101G
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101G
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then that's not a WHOLE if "Part" of the apple is rotten, if whole then none of the apple is eatable. try again.
Good, then Jesus, who is GOD, raised up his body. just as in John 17:3 when it speaks of the TRUE God ..... AND Jesus Christ which make the WHOLE God. thanks..... 101G will used that.
dose that not apply with the Conjunction "AND?". example, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
is this not the WHOLE in context? I am the First ... "and" .... the Last.
101G.
Doug Brents
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The Lord God, the Word of God that became flesh, the Spirit of God that was above the waters at Creation.
John 1:3 says that Jesus is not the Father but He is God. Isa 44:24 says that God (a title for the unity that created everything) made everything.
Lord and God are both titles given to the same thing in Scripture. God is Lord, and the Lord is God. So when in 1 Cor 8:6 it says, "yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.", it is saying that the two are the same Lord and God, and we exist both through and for Him.
101G
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to all my trinitarians, unitarians, Binitarians, JW, Mormons, and yes to my Jewish friends who do not believe the Lord Jesus is God.
one poster claim 101G runs away from certain question. well if they think so, that's on them. but when 101G ask a question, it never get answered. so, 101G is giving anyone the Opportunity to ask 101G any of your question concerning the Godhead. and lets see if 101G runs..... from any of them.
now take your time and think of your best question to ask...... but warning, don't ask something that might be used against you.... ok. and what 101G will answer, will be scriptural based for all to see.
concerning scripture, Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
God is NOT "WINKING" anymore, so let's get it right. if agreed, then ASK.
101G.
one poster claim 101G runs away from certain question. well if they think so, that's on them. but when 101G ask a question, it never get answered. so, 101G is giving anyone the Opportunity to ask 101G any of your question concerning the Godhead. and lets see if 101G runs..... from any of them.
now take your time and think of your best question to ask...... but warning, don't ask something that might be used against you.... ok. and what 101G will answer, will be scriptural based for all to see.
concerning scripture, Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
God is NOT "WINKING" anymore, so let's get it right. if agreed, then ASK.
101G.
101G
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a unity consists of TWO or MORE, and if JESUS, the Lord is not the Father but is God as you say, then you have two Gods, and that's polytheism. now try again.
101G say the "PERSON" in John 1:3 is the SAME "ONE" Person in Isaiah 44:24, in the "ECHAD, and not in any Unity. if you do not agree, please tell us HOW the Lord JESUS who is God, AS YOU SAY, but not the Father Who is God. again, you have TWO GODS, and that polytheism as it's best. your answer PLEASE.
101G.
Bob Carabbio
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That was a lot of work for nothing!!!
What's IGNORED is the simple fact that Jesus (who was the RESULT of the WORD, who was GOD becoming "Flesh"), during HIS physical existence as Mary's Kid/Messiah, was walking AS A HUMAN, and doing what He did with the power of God working through Him.
This, in EXACTLY the way it is with us, when we minister in the power of the Holy Spirit.
One thing unique about Jesus was that when HE was TEMPTED (as we are), HE NEVER ALLOWED His temptation to "Conceive", like we do.
PERSONALLY, I couldn't give a Rosy Rodent's Posterior for "Trinitarian Doctrine" which is nothing more than man's FAILED attempt(s) to codify something that he's almost totally IGNORANT about. but HEY!! God IS ONE - Father Son and Holy Spirit. SImple as that.
Wrangler
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What distinction are you making here? One is just an abbreviated version of the other. Jesus is referred interchangeably as the son and as the son of God.
Doug Brents
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Not as I say, but as Scripture says!! And no, there are not two Gods.
Are you married? I am, and as God says, she and I are one. She is still an individual that is distinct from me, and I am distinct from her, yet she and I are one unit (a unity). That is God. He is the Father, and the Son, and the Spirit united into one thing we call God.
See above. There is ONE GOD!! And He is the union of three beings/persons/personalities/personifications that are all ONE in purpose, power, desire, mission, glory, etc.
Wrangler
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No. Trinitarians are exactly there, believing in 3 Gods while also calling THEM 1.
YHWH is God
Jesus is God (trinitarians say this all the time)
The HS is God.
These are 3 Gods. Saying these 3 are ine show your need to violate the Law of Identity.
Trinitarians do not even admit they are parts fo 1 God but each in their own right are fully God.
You also claim one of these gods is fully God and fully man. The only way this could be possible is if man were God. The desire for the man is god thesis is the Original sin.
Johan recently said the Bible teaches there is one God but reveals him to be 3. Huh? No such verse makes such revelation. Pure Eisegesis.
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civic
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not yet but very soon I'm praying for you my friend101G is not Trinitarian ...... (smile).....
101G.
Behold
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Youre teaching more self invented nonsense.
So, Let me direct you to some verses.
Notice your "non-human" is eating some fish..
Be sure to pay attention..... @101G
Luke 24:39-44
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Wrangler
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One marriage of 2 Beings. The ‘one flesh’ thing is merely a reference to the miracle of procreation. It is a biological metaphor, not a metaphysical Being.
civic
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no its the same as being one in both cases where we see the plural persons in both are One flesh, One God.
the analogy works perfect since man was created in the image of God- God is not alone as the Eternal Father, Son and Holy Spirit which is why God gave adam- eve so he too would not be alone just as God is not alone.
