Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition

[101G]

I don’t even know what modalism is

just Trinitarianism in reverse...... (smile).

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

who raised up the Lord Jesus body? God which is correct, because Jesus is "God".

LOL. There is only one reason to change names, it is NOT the same being.

Language usage.

1. My wife got me a fork.
2. I got myself a fork.

Both of these say the same thing since my wife and I are ‘one flesh. Huh? You are just rationalizing your doctrine regardless of the words in Scripture.

 

[101G]

Language usage.

1. My wife got me a fork.
2. I got myself a fork.

Both of these say the same thing since my wife and I are ‘one flesh. Huh? You are just rationalizing your doctrine regardless of the words in Scripture.

are you your wife?

101G.

 

[101G]

to any, and all.
what's so hard to understand? John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." I, I, I, I, will Raise it up. did the Lord Jesus LIE? No. so what's wrong, hard to believe the TRUTH?

my God I just cannot believe this thinking and misunderstanding of plain ENGLISH.

101G.

 

[Doug Brents]

Nope. A couple is not 1 - by definition.

A trinity is not 1 - by definition.

There is such a thing as invalid definitions. Maybe a topic for another thread.

So now you are disagreeing with Scripture? Jesus says that a man and woman, when they marry, become one flesh, one entity, and are no longer two (Matt 19:5-6).

 

[Doug Brents]

Ever read Ex 3:15?

God said his name is YHWH. He did not say I am is my name. Think about it. God’s name is not Jesus. Simple.

So His name is LORD? And what does 1 Cor 8:6 say? One God, the Father. One Lord (YHWH), Jesus. God and Lord are the same title. Jesus is just as much God as the Father is God.

 

[Doug Brents]

this is what the Greeks say is G243 ALLOS vs G2087 Heteros, understand you both are one unit, but it's two induvial. God is not a unit of two, NO. he is the "Diversity" or the EQUAL "SHARE" of his OWNSELF. understand? supportive scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

form here is NATURE, the Lord Jesus have the same NATURE as the LORD, who is JESUS himself.... How? because he is the ECHAD of himself in the "EQUAL SHARE" of HIMSELE, or ...... LISTEN "WITH" himself. why do the scripture say "WITH?" for if the scriptures would have said, EQUAL ... "TO", then that would have indicated two separate person. but in the ECHAD, is the same one person, hence the rendering "EQUAL .... "WITH".

how do 101G know this? by bible example. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the LORD, all cap, is "WITH" the Last, and he said, "I, I, I, AM he..... only one person. let's see it in scriptures, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." bingo, there it is .... "WITH" just as the Word in John 1:1 was "WITH" God and John 1:1c "WAS GOD.... the same one person, as here in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

this is the same one PERSON. see the HUSBAND is not the wife, vice verse..... but God, the "Lord" is God, who is JESUS, and the "LORD" who is God is Jesus. see the difference now. hope you understand.

101G.

Let me use an example. I was just rereading "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis, and in it he uses the analogy of a one and two dimensional object trying to understand a three dimensional object.
A one dimensional object is just a straight line. A two dimensional object, like a square, is made up of straight lines, but they are connected to form something greater than the single line. A three dimensional object, like a cube, is made up of squares (which are made up of lines) but the are also connected for form something greater than the square.
You and I are simple lines. We cannot really comprehend a square, let alone a cube, but we can kind of get the idea that it would be possible once it is described to us by someone who has seen a square, or maybe even a cube. The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are squares that are part of the cube. Each is equally part of the cube. The cube is a single entity, not divisible even though it can be perceived as six separate squares.

 

[synergy]

Oh, you cannot understand what 101G said? " just because a vision was shown in HEAVEN, do not necessarily mean the event took place in heaven." case in point, Revelation chapter 12, it happen on EARTH, the Birth of Christ, and all the major player are there, just keep one hand on Revelation chapter 12, and your other hand on Matthews chapter 2. this is a vision shown in heaven that happen on EARTH...... Oh MY, MY, MY. this is basic bible study, you should have known this.

What's your point? You forget that wherever God's Throne is, that is where Heaven is

try Hebrews 1:1-3.... (smile). and the rest of the Chapter proves who he is...... GOD ALMIGHTY IN NOW GLORIFIED FLESH.
..... Oh Just smell the coffee...

are U sure, or is it you? have 101G not answer U, again, and again? well 101G will do is again in a different way. John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

Stop running away from the fact that Jesus is the Express Image of the Father. That's why Jesus can say what He said in John 14:9.

now LISTEN CLOSLEY, Luke 24:38 "And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?" Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." now this,
1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;" 1 John 1:2 "(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)" (STOP, that was "WITH" the Father?)

NOW, who only has ETERNAL LIFE? ANSWER, the Lord JESUS, Listen and Learn, 1 Timothy 6:13 "I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;" 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

who "ONLY" have IMMORTALITY. and only means, and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively. checkmate.
was the Lord Jesus seen, John declared him. and yes, JESUS is the "ONLY" God. now if you have another God beside the Lord Jesus, then you're into polytheism. plain and simple........ Coffee anyone..... good to the Last Drop. ....

101G.

You keep forgetting about God the Father.

No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46).

Stop running away from John 6:46.

 

[101G]

Let me use an example. I was just rereading "Mere Christianity" by CS Lewis, and in it he uses the analogy of a one and two dimensional object trying to understand a three dimensional object.
A one dimensional object is just a straight line. A two dimensional object, like a square, is made up of straight lines, but they are connected to form something greater than the single line. A three dimensional object, like a cube, is made up of squares (which are made up of lines) but the are also connected for form something greater than the square.
You and I are simple lines. We cannot really comprehend a square, let alone a cube, but we can kind of get the idea that it would be possible once it is described to us by someone who has seen a square, or maybe even a cube. The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are squares that are part of the cube. Each is equally part of the cube. The cube is a single entity, not divisible even though it can be perceived as six separate squares.

that's CS Lweis, now 101G, the Lord Jesus is the WHOLE cube, every side, and every line, and there is no one else. "ONE"

NEXT, square,

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

are you your wife?

101G.

No and neither is Jesus his own God.

 

[Behold]

who raised up the Lord Jesus body?

101G.

John 10:18 = Acts 2:32

Jesus said...>"i have the power to lay down my life and i have the POWER to take (raise) it up again".

Jesus said that...

And "God raised Jesus from the Dead".


Its the SAME.

 

[101G]

What's your point? You forget that wherever God's Throne is, that is where Heaven is

that's my point, Isaiah 66:1 "Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

so earth is heaven also? ....... (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

No and neither is Jesus his own God.

did 101G say that? post it where 101G said that..... 101G will be looking for that post by U........ (smile) .... Lol, Lol, ...

101G.

 

[101G]

John 10:18 = Acts 2:32

Jesus said...>"i have the power to lay down my life and i have the POWER to take (raise) it up again".

Jesus said that...

And "God raised Jesus from the Dead".


Its the SAME.

same "PERSON", yes or no? 101G say it's the same one person in the "ECHAD".

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

what's so hard to understand? John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

What so hard to understand that there is no substitute for a verse that strings together 3 little words, “Jesus is God?”

The whole reason trinitarians invoke all kinds of nonsense like you did for Eisegesis is because there is no trinity verse. The trinity is so important to the Biblical authors that in 66 books, they did not mention it once! What’s so hard to understand that the Son OF God is not God?

 

[Wrangler]

So now you are disagreeing with Scripture? Jesus says that a man and woman, when they marry, become one flesh, one entity, and are no longer two (Matt 19:5-6).

Not at all. I am disagreeing with the trinitarian claim that Jesus was speaking metaphysically. I hold this to be a metaphorical expression for the miracle of procreation - how 2 become 1, in creating a baby.

My mother died 15 years ago. My father is still alive. They are not one flesh.

 

[101G]

@Behold, and @Wrangler,
let's get this right. the Godhead, or "GOD" problem, Listen Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

two the both of you, is this ONE person here who made man male and female, yes or no? your answers please.

101G.

 

[synergy]

that's my point, Isaiah 66:1 "Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

so earth is heaven also? ....... (smile).

101G.

God was present in the OT Temple on Earth. Ask 101G if he believes that.

 

[Behold]

same "PERSON", yes or no? 101G say it's the same one person in the "ECHAD".

101G.

John 10:18 Jesus said...>"i have the power to lay down my life and i have the POWER to take (raise) it up again".

Acts 2:32 = And "God raised Jesus from the Dead".


Its the SAME God, but 2 different manifestations.

 

[101G]

John 10:18 Jesus said...>"i have the power to lay down my life and i have the POWER to take (raise) it up again".

Acts 2:32 = And "God raised Jesus from the Dead".


Its the SAME God, but 2 different manifestations.

ERROR, but I'll give you some credit, but how did both Manifest? your answer please.

101G.