Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition

[101G]

No to what?

101G by the Lord Jesus say, NO... NOT IN HEAVEN, the Lamb .... of ... GOD, but he, Jesus is the LAMB. see the difference?

101G.

THERE IS NO LAMB OF GOD IN HEAVEN....... GOT THAT? now learn. John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." here the Lord Jesus has blood, which was given for the sin of the world. now upon his resurrection.... do he have blood? no. so what's in heaven now is a glorified body, Spiritual, none human, (no blood). he is the Lamb and not the Lamb "of" God, but the LAMB....... (smile)... Oh Dear......

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[101G]

Who is not in Heaven?

see above, the man Jesus, the Son of God.

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[101G]

He is who we are talking about.

see above above,...... (smile)

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[101G]

Jesus is the Lamb of God.

see above, not anymore.

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[101G]

What difference are you talking about?

see above, above, above.... (smile)

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[Wrangler]

our remarks are a classic case of a strawman argument. Nowhere have I ever posited that "there are 2 gods".

Projecting again. This thread is why the trinity is wrong due to ubiquitous juxtaposition. In response, you assert a verse shows Jesus is God (along with the Father). That’s 2 gods.

You are wrong. But even if the verse you cite did indicate Jesus is god, that is STILL only 2 gods!

Rom 10:9 only talks about God and Jesus - no father or HS, just God, in his unitarian, whole nature.

 

[Doug Brents]

THERE IS NO LAMB OF GOD IN HEAVEN....... GOT THAT? now learn. John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." here the Lord Jesus has blood, which was given for the sin of the world. now upon his resurrection.... do he have blood? no. so what's in heaven now is a glorified body, Spiritual, none human, (no blood). he is the Lamb and not the Lamb "of" God, but the LAMB....... (smile)... Oh Dear......

101G

Do you know what our new bodies will look like? Can you, from the seed, foretell the body that will arise? 1 Cor 15:42-54 says that this body is the seed (like a grain of wheat), and when that seed dies, it will produce a new body like that of a wheat plant. The plant is nothing like the seed, and so too, our resurrected body will be nothing like our current body. But can you know that there is no blood in those new bodies? Can you know that they are purely spiritual and not physical like the New Earth will be?

 

[101G]

Rom 10:9 only talks about God and Jesus - no father or HS, just God, in his unitarian, whole nature.

unitarian, whole nature. "Whole Nature?" please explain. thanks in advance.

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[101G]

Do you know what our new bodies will look like? Can you, from the seed, foretell the body that will arise? 1 Cor 15:42-54 says that this body is the seed (like a grain of wheat), and when that seed dies, it will produce a new body like that of a wheat plant. The plant is nothing like the seed, and so too, our resurrected body will be nothing like our current body. But can you know that there is no blood in those new bodies? Can you know that they are purely spiritual and not physical like the New Earth will be?

1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

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[synergy]

THERE IS NO LAMB OF GOD IN HEAVEN....... GOT THAT?

What I did get is that you are ignorant of Revelation. Where would you place the throne of God and of the Lamb? In Heaven, I hope.

22 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

 

[101G]

What I did get is that you are ignorant of Revelation. Where would you place the throne of God and of the Lamb? In Heaven, I hope.

22 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

are you that naive, or just that Ignorant of the Word of God? listen and understand. just because a vision was shown in HEAVEN, do not necessarily mean the event took place in heaven.

and also, why stop at verse 3? is not the Lamb and God the same one person as verse 3 states? as well as Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

his face, why not say their faces.... (smiles), or their NAMES? because it's only ONE PERSON.

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[synergy]

are you that naive, or just that Ignorant of the Word of God? listen and understand. just because a vision was shown in HEAVEN, do not necessarily mean the event took place in heaven.

So you're saying that God gave John false visions. Give me a break.

and also, why stop at verse 3? is not the Lamb and God the same one person as verse 3 states? as well as Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

his face, why not say their faces.... (smiles), or their NAMES? because it's only ONE PERSON.

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Since nobody has seen nor can see the Father, except Christ, then whose face will they see?

 

[Doug Brents]

are you that naive, or just that Ignorant of the Word of God? listen and understand. just because a vision was shown in HEAVEN, do not necessarily mean the event took place in heaven.

and also, why stop at verse 3? is not the Lamb and God the same one person as verse 3 states? as well as Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

his face, why not say their faces.... (smiles), or their NAMES? because it's only ONE PERSON.

101G

The Lamb of God is a single individual, and thus has one face. The Father is another individual, and thus has one face, but not the same face as the Lamb. Whose face shall they see, and whose name on their forehead? The Lamb's! For He is God, and the Father's! For He is God (Rev 14:1).

 

[101G]

So you're saying that God gave John false visions. Give me a break.

did 101G say that? do not try to put words in 101G mouth... ok, because you will get burnt. now, once more all vision that are shown in heave do not necessarily take place in heaven.

Since nobody has seen nor can see the Father, except Christ, then whose face will they see?

John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

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[101G]

The Lamb of God is a single individual, and thus has one face. The Father is another individual, and thus has one face, but not the same face as the Lamb. Whose face shall they see, and whose name on their forehead? The Lamb's! For He is God, and the Father's! For He is God (Rev 14:1).

then you have two single individual Gods.

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[synergy]

then you have two single individual Gods.

101G.

Only pagans would say what you just said. No Trinitarian would say that.

 

[synergy]

did 101G say that? do not try to put words in 101G mouth... ok, because you will get burnt. now, once more all vision that are shown in heave do not necessarily take place in heaven.

Then explain yourself better.

John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

101G.

You have a poor understanding that Jesus is the Express Image of the Father. That's why Jesus can say what He said in John 14:9.

You continue to run away from John 6:46:

No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46).

 

[civic]

Then explain yourself better.

You have a poor understanding that Jesus is the Express Image of the Father. That's why Jesus can say what He said in John 14:9.

You continue to run away from John 6:46:

No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46).

This is a stumbling block for every non trinitarian. ( John 6:46 )

These also confirm Jesus words above in John 6:46

John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

1 Timothy 1:17
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:13-16
I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time — God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

1 John 4:12
12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

 

[Doug Brents]

then you have two single individual Gods.

101G.

Not in the least. There are two individuals (three actually) that are equal in power, glory, authority, and majesty, and these three are so united in purpose that they form ONE God.

 

[civic]

Not in the least. There are two individuals (three actually) that are equal in power, glory, authority, and majesty, and these three are so united in purpose that they form ONE God.

Similar to a marriage- the two individuals become One flesh. Except God is and doesn't become.

1- One God, One flesh
2- man and woman are plural and not each other as Father, Son and Holy Spirit are Plural and not each other.