As Fred pointed out earlier, read Rev 3:21. Now since only Jesus can see God the Father then we only see Jesus. You serve a false god the father if you can see him.
Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition
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101G
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well let's see what the bible says about that. a. Exodus 24:9 "Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:" Exodus 24:10 "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness." Exodus 24:11 "And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink."
b. John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
now as 101G pointed out IN, means one is authorized to the POWER of God. are one so fleshly that ONE sit down in another Lap? how silly.
now, back to 101G O.Q. it it the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne YES or NO.... Last chance fellas..... (smile).....
101G.
101G
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so Fred are you saying that the "ONE" who sits on the throne is the Father? yes or No last chance..... (smile).well .... don't all answer at once... (smile). there is no math involved.
now can 101G get a witness that it is the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne? (smile) .....YIKES!
101G
101G.
101G
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so, are you saying that the Father sits on the THRONE, or the Son.... Last chance.
101G.
I already told you what the Bible says and you threw that verse out the window:
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46).
I'm not into the game of throwing verses against verses hoping that your presuppositions overwhelm what the Bible actually says. That is a recipe for disaster.
Discuss John 6:46 first and then we can look into where you went wrong with your false god the father.
101G
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@Fred, @synergy, @Johann, and @civic,
It is the Lord JESUS who sits on the THRONE. for he is the ONLY "ONE" who is "GIVEN POWER" Listen and Learn, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
receive "POWER?" only the Son receive POWER, Listen and Learn, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
THE FATHER NEVER RECEIVE POWER, simple deduction. just READ.....
so it's the Lord Jesus who sits on the THRONE. was that so hard?
101G
It is the Lord JESUS who sits on the THRONE. for he is the ONLY "ONE" who is "GIVEN POWER" Listen and Learn, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
receive "POWER?" only the Son receive POWER, Listen and Learn, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
THE FATHER NEVER RECEIVE POWER, simple deduction. just READ.....
so it's the Lord Jesus who sits on the THRONE. was that so hard?
101G
101G
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LOL, LOL, LOL, .. OH my, LISTEN and LEARN, John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, (READ THAT AGAIN), save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
WHAT? "Not that any man hath seen the Father,".... well what KIND of Man has seen the Father..... Oh this is just too Good.
now synergy, you need to find out what KIND of Man that seen God.... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Dear, when will they ever Learn.
now can 101G get a witness on who sits on the throne? .....
101G.
Johann
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Think I know you-even with that avatar.LOL, LOL, LOL, .. OH my, LISTEN and LEARN, John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, (READ THAT AGAIN), save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
WHAT? "Not that any man hath seen the Father,".... well what KIND of Man has seen the Father..... Oh this is just too Good.
now synergy, you need to find out what KIND of Man that seen God.... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Dear, when will they ever Learn.
now can 101G get a witness on who sits on the throne? .....
101G.
Last time.
3. The Throne is now occupied also by the Lord Jesus Christ: Ancient chariots of war typically carried two combatants (cf. 1Ki.22:34), and while it is not immediately apparent, it becomes clear in chapter five that our Lord Jesus Christ is indeed sharing this throne, where He has been seated with the Father in victory since His ascension, awaiting the time when all of God's enemies will be laid low (Rev.3:21: "The one who wins the victory, I will grant him to sit with Me on My throne just as I also have won the victory and have taken My seat with My Father on His throne"; cf. Ps.110:1; Rom.8:34; Eph.1:20-22; Phil.2:9; Heb.1:3; 12:2; 1Pet.3:22). The close proximity of Father and Son after Christ's session will become evident shortly when the Lamb appears "standing in the center of the throne" (Rev.5:6)(18)
J.
LOL, LOL, LOL, .. OH my, LISTEN and LEARN, John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, (READ THAT AGAIN), save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
WHAT? "Not that any man hath seen the Father,".... well what KIND of Man has seen the Father..... Oh this is just too Good.
now synergy, you need to find out what KIND of Man that seen God.... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Dear, when will they ever Learn.
now can 101G get a witness on who sits on the throne? .....
101G.
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46).
Since you can see the Father then you are from God. Let me start worshiping you, o great one. It's either that or you are following a false god the father. Which is it?
101G
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@Fred, @synergy, @Johann, and @civic,
now that YOU fellas NOW KNOW that it's the Lord Jesus who sits on the THRONE, now dilemma, or Revelation TIME.
if the Lord Jesus Sits on the THRONE, who is the LAMB in Chapter 5 that stands, not Sit, but STAND before the Throne..... Note, not Lamb of God standing before the Throne, but the "LAMB" ..... so who is the LAMB.... Oh this is Just too Good.
101G.
now that YOU fellas NOW KNOW that it's the Lord Jesus who sits on the THRONE, now dilemma, or Revelation TIME.
if the Lord Jesus Sits on the THRONE, who is the LAMB in Chapter 5 that stands, not Sit, but STAND before the Throne..... Note, not Lamb of God standing before the Throne, but the "LAMB" ..... so who is the LAMB.... Oh this is Just too Good.
101G.
101G
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ALSO?, another Mistake on your part, ONLY one SITS on the THRONE... so try again.
101G.
PS, One day soon you fellas will LEARN.... (smile).
Johann
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is this a Bible quiz?
You have answered none of the questions and you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension.
Rev 5:6 And I saw, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a lamb standing as being slain, having [horns seven] and [eyes seven]; which are the seven spirits of God being sent into all the earth.
And I saw between the Kes (Throne) and the Arbah Chayyot (four living beings) and among the Zekenim (Elders, SHEMOT 12:21) a SEH (Lamb, YESHAYAH 53:7, Moshiach) having stood as having been slain, having sheva karnayim (horns, omnipotence), sheva eynayim (eyes, omniscience), which are the sheva ruchot (spirits) of Hashem having been sent into kol ha'aretz (all the earth).
5:6 "a Lamb standing" This concept of a sacrificial Lamb (i.e., baby lamb, arnion) depicts the vicarious atonement and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Lamb is mentioned throughout the book of the Revelation (cf. Rev. 5:6,8,12,13; 6:1,16; 7:9,10,14,17; 12:11; 13:8; 14:1,4(twice),10; 15:3; 17:14; 19:7,9; 21:9,14,22,23,27; 22:1,3). The sacrificial metaphor is from
1. the Passover Lamb (Exodus 12)
2. one of the lambs that was sacrificed daily in the morning and evening (the continual, cf. Exod. 29:38-46; Num. 28:3,6,10,23,31; 29:11,16,19,22,25,28,31,34,38)
3. the slain lamb of Isa. 53:7 or John 1:7,29
This metaphor is used of Jesus in two distinct senses: (a) as an innocent sacrificial victim and (b) as the overcoming victor (also found in Jewish apocalyptic literature, cf. I Enoch 90:9; Testament of Joseph 19:8-9). In the NT only John the Baptist in John 1:29,36 and John in Revelation 5:6,8,12,13; 61:1, refer to Jesus as "Lamb" (Paul asserts this, but without the term in 1 Cor. 5:7).
"as if slain"
He was dead but now alive. The Messiah's resurrection is parodied by the sea beast (cf. Rev. 13:3).
Johann
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Oh-I am still learning, make no mistake about that Sorella-I am the first to confess I don't know it all-but reading your eisegesis makes me wonder.
J.
Johann
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Already answered-you seem a bit slow on the uptake-no offense.
J.
101G
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what you say... LOL, Oh Dear, you said, "Since you can see the Father then you are from God. " why do you want to make a silly statement like that? was not John the Baptist from God? John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John." notice John was SENT "FROM", Not "sent "BY" God .... but "FROM" God..... (Smile)... LOL, LOL. Oh Dear. NEXT
as the Trix commercial say, "Silly Rabbit". Revelation 22:8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things." Revelation 22:9 "Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."
so WORSHIP GOD ONLY..... now HOW? in Spirit and in TRUTH...... (smile) .....
coffee anyone this morning..... it's GOOD to the LAST DROP.101G
101G
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is not the same Lord Jesus sitting on the THRONE? and two is the Lamb here the "OFFSPRING" which is the Messiah, or is the Lamb here the "ROOT" of David........ meaning (SPIRIT), and if the ROOT/SPIRIT, then tell us as you said, "as an innocent sacrificial victim" so then tell us how the Spirit/Father was the SACARFICE, because the LAMB here is the ROOT of David who STANDS, Listen, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
see the ROOT is BEFORE David... (Spirit, and God is a Spirit), and the Offspring is After David, the Son. but it's the ROOT here. Oh My God they still don't see it. Oh well let them sit in Darkness.......
... YIKES!101G
Johann
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Something you don't understand?
Rev 5:3 And no one in Heaven was able to open the scroll nor to see it, neither on the earth, nor underneath the earth.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no one worthy was found to open and to read the scroll, nor to see it.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders said to me: Do not weep. Behold, the Lion being of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, overcame so as to open the scroll, and to loose its seven seals.
Rev 5:6 And I saw, and behold, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, was a Lamb standing, as having been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of Elohim, having been sent out into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him sitting on the throne.
in the midst of the throne - Rev_4:4-6
a Lamb - PtC H35091 Rev_5:9, Rev_5:12, Rev_6:16, Rev_7:9-17, Rev_12:11, Rev_13:8, Rev_17:14, Rev_21:23, Rev_22:1, Rev_22:3; Isa_53:7-8; Joh_1:29, Joh_1:36; Act_8:32; 1Pe_1:19-20
seven horns - 1Sa_2:10; Dan_7:14; Mic_4:13; Hab_3:4; Luk_1:69; Php_2:9-11
seven eyes - 2Ch_16:9; Zec_3:9, Zec_4:10
the seven Spirits - Rev_4:5
If you had bothered to read the verses preceding John 6:46, you would have seen that Jesus is talking about Himself. He is not talking about John the Baptism nor about Mr 101G. If you have problems understanding the context of John 6:46, then read John 6 in your native language. There is no excuse for your poor comprehension of John 6:46.what you say... LOL, Oh Dear, you said, "Since you can see the Father then you are from God. " why do you want to make a silly statement like that? was not John the Baptist from God? John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John." notice John was SENT "FROM", Not "sent "BY" God .... but "FROM" God..... (Smile)... LOL, LOL. Oh Dear. NEXT
as the Trix commercial say, "Silly Rabbit". Revelation 22:8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things." Revelation 22:9 "Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."
so WORSHIP GOD ONLY..... now HOW? in Spirit and in TRUTH...... (smile) .....
101G
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46).
Since you can see the Father then you place yourself on the same level as Jesus. Let me start worshiping you, o great one. It's either that or you are following a false god the father. Which is it?
@101G thinks that Jesus was always on the Throne and 101G forgot that Jesus was the Sacrificial Lamb on Earth. There is no excuse for 101G to have such poor English comprehension. He can read the Bible in his native tongue so there is no excuse for his poor and slow comprehension.
