Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition

[synergy]

I was talking about a definition of a word. Not a person.

What makes us look bad is allowing someone who is deliberately blaspheming. And, being non responsive to all correction.
Continuing freely like he knows someone here who is in charge.

I would much rather see discussions how the Word of God correlates and constructs into a model for thinking with truth in a stronger way.

Some might come here and think all that Christians will do is to argue endlessly and allow the one taunting weak believers
(who do not know better) to continue with what we in the church have been commanded to not be doing.

I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them." Romans 16:17​

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But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned." Titus 3:9-11​

If obeyed? That is what would be good if enough here knew that much - and did it.
But we keep allowing disobedience out of ignorance to flourish. That's like defunding the police.

Now if someone has secretly been assigned to play the Devil's advocate to stir up forum activity?
Do not let it continue as to discourage and wear everyone out who does not know better.....
Its like the cat taunting a dog on a leash.

Either way. I could not stand by and just watch my brothers and sisters being gaslighted.


In Christ.

Let me put in my 2 cents for whatever it's worth. I appreciate very much your concern for being alarmed at all the heresies being promoted against Christianity. If this was a Church then I would agree that more severe measures would need to be taken but this is an open forum. It needs to possess a level of freedom where anybody can voice their opinion in a respectful way of course. It's much like when Paul was allowed by Athenians to proclaim Jesus Christ right in the middle of extreme Greek paganism. Sure, there is a massive risk to our beliefs in an open forum but we can turn it into God's Glory when we expose exactly where the heresy fails in light of the Bible. In doing so it makes us stronger in our belief. Some of us have managed to do exactly that and I applaud them for it. It's in open forums where an unsheltered view of the real world can be seen. Open forums follow the Athenian tradition of open forums and have great value if administered properly which I think is the case here.

 

[GeneZ]

Let me put in my 2 cents for whatever it's worth. I appreciate very much your concern for being alarmed at all the heresies being promoted against Christianity. If this was a Church then I would agree that more severe measures would need to be taken but this is an open forum. It needs to possess a level of freedom where anybody can voice their opinion in a respectful way of course. It's much like when Paul was allowed by Athenians to proclaim Jesus Christ right in the middle of extreme Greek paganism. Sure, there is a massive risk to our beliefs in an open forum but we can turn it into God's Glory when we expose exactly where the heresy fails in light of the Bible. In doing so it makes us stronger in our belief. Some of us have managed to do exactly that and I applaud them for it. It's in open forums where an unsheltered view of the real world can be seen. Open forums follow the Athenian tradition of open forums and have great value if administered properly which I think is the case here.

If we are to get stronger in the Word we will find ourselves doing what it says.

 

[synergy]

If we are to get stronger in the Word we will find ourselves doing what it says.

Ok. I mentioned where the word of God mentioned Open Forums. That's where Paul addressed the Athenians.

 

[Administrator]

I was talking about a definition of a word. Not a person.

What makes us look bad is allowing someone who is deliberately blaspheming. And, being non responsive to all correction.
Continuing freely like he knows someone here who is in charge.

I would much rather see discussions how the Word of God correlates and constructs into a model for thinking with truth in a stronger way.

Some might come here and think all that Christians will do is to argue endlessly and allow the one taunting weak believers
(who do not know better) to continue with what we in the church have been commanded to not be doing.

I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them." Romans 16:17​

​

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned." Titus 3:9-11​

If obeyed? That is what would be good if enough here knew that much - and did it.
But we keep allowing disobedience out of ignorance to flourish. That's like defunding the police.

Now if someone has secretly been assigned to play the Devil's advocate to stir up forum activity?
Do not let it continue as to discourage and wear everyone out who does not know better.....
Its like the cat taunting a dog on a leash.

Either way. I could not stand by and just watch my brothers and sisters being gaslighted.


In Christ.

I was agreeing with you.

 

[Administrator]

I was talking about a definition of a word. Not a person.

What makes us look bad is allowing someone who is deliberately blaspheming. And, being non responsive to all correction.
Continuing freely like he knows someone here who is in charge.

I would much rather see discussions how the Word of God correlates and constructs into a model for thinking with truth in a stronger way.

Some might come here and think all that Christians will do is to argue endlessly and allow the one taunting weak believers
(who do not know better) to continue with what we in the church have been commanded to not be doing.

I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them." Romans 16:17​

​

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned." Titus 3:9-11​

If obeyed? That is what would be good if enough here knew that much - and did it.
But we keep allowing disobedience out of ignorance to flourish. That's like defunding the police.

Now if someone has secretly been assigned to play the Devil's advocate to stir up forum activity?
Do not let it continue as to discourage and wear everyone out who does not know better.....
Its like the cat taunting a dog on a leash.

Either way. I could not stand by and just watch my brothers and sisters being gaslighted.


In Christ.

This right here

Now if someone has secretly been assigned to play the Devil's advocate to stir up forum activity?
Do not let it continue as to discourage and wear everyone out who does not know better.....
Its like the cat taunting a dog on a leash.

I can guarantee you. that's not going on at all. We're coming at it from the opposite angle. We would love for everyone to get along. When things start going downhill and it starts getting all personal Is when I have to jump in. We don't assign anybody to do anything here.

 

[GeneZ]

Ok. I mentioned where the word of God mentioned Open Forums. That's where Paul addressed the Athenians.

It is open forum...

I too am free to state what the Word of God commands us under certain conditions as well.

Its a perfect opportunity to show what the Word has provided for us.

The Athenians over all were snobs and pseudo intellectuals. They had become a shell of their past.

When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, ​

but others said, “We want to hear you again on this subject.” At that, Paul left ​

the Council. Some of the people became followers of Paul and believed. ​

Among them was Dionysius, a member of the Areopagus, also a woman ​

named Damaris, and a number of others."​

Likewise... there are some here may want to learn what Scriptures say about certain attitudes ...
And, most importantly, what to do about them. That is what I am doing even though some may sneer.

grace and peace ..................

 

[GeneZ]

This right here


I can guarantee you. that's not going on at all. We're coming at it from the opposite angle. We would love for everyone to get along. When things start going downhill and it starts getting all personal Is when I have to jump in. We don't assign anybody to do anything here.

I wanted the air cleared. Thank you. Demonic suggestions need to be confronted.

 

[synergy]

It is open forum...

I too am free to state what the Word of God commands us under certain conditions as well.

Its a perfect opportunity to show what the Word has provided for us.

The Athenians over all were snobs and pseudo intellectuals. They had become a shell of their past.

When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, ​

but others said, “We want to hear you again on this subject.” At that, Paul left ​

the Council. Some of the people became followers of Paul and believed. ​

Among them was Dionysius, a member of the Areopagus, also a woman ​

named Damaris, and a number of others."​

Likewise... there are some here may want to learn what Scriptures say about certain attitudes ...
And, most importantly, what to do about them. That is what I am doing even though some may sneer.

grace and peace ..................

Keep spreading the good word of God, my friend!

 

[Wrangler]

Run Unitarians Run from having to address:

1. your poor understanding of what exactly is or is not a metaphor in the English language, and
2. your flippant attitude in how you're all so willing to disregard critical portions of Bible verses (i.e.: "to declare to His servants" in Rev 1:1) that do not align with your predispositions.

Wrong on both counts.

1. Understanding what is literal and what is figurative takes discernment. Point is, trinitarians are the ones who have no answer to the reasonable interpretation that what they are using as "support" is eisegesis, that flipping literal and figurative expressions, like 'the word of God' destroy the trinity so easily BECAUSE there is no trinity in the Bible.

Said differently, IF there was a trinity verse, such emotional investment as John 1:1 being figurative would not be necessary.

2. There is absolutely nothing flippant about recognizing that God - in his unitarian nature - gave Jesus the revelation. You attempt to distract with the part of the sentence of why he gave the revelation - so it could be declared to his servants - is besides the point.

 

[Wrangler]

did God speak to us by his Son? yes or no.

101G

Yes. This is what prophets do, speak the words of God. Jesus called himself a prophet OF God, yes?

 

[Rockson]

LOl You think these verses are saying what you claim? Give me a break! What Eisegesis.

So Wrangler who do you say Jesus was and what was he according to you?

 

[Wrangler]

your flippant attitude in how you're all so willing to disregard critical portions of Bible verses (i.e.: "to declare to His servants" in Rev 1:1) that do not align with your predispositions.

Putting aside your personal attack, as a test of your reading comprehension skills, WHO GAVE JESUS THE REVELATION IN REV1:1?

 

[synergy]

Putting aside your personal attack, as a test of your reading comprehension skills, WHO GAVE JESUS THE REVELATION IN REV1:1?

I already took that into account and addressed it in Comment #161. You, on the other hand, keep running away from the phrase that you branded as "irrelevant" (i.e.: "to declare to His servants" in Rev 1:1).

Run Unitarian Run!

 

[101G]

Yes. This is what prophets do, speak the words of God. Jesus called himself a prophet OF God, yes?

and HIGH PRIEST, and GOD HIMSELF ... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear

101G.

 

[synergy]

Wrong on both counts.

1. Understanding what is literal and what is figurative takes discernment. Point is, trinitarians are the ones who have no answer to the reasonable interpretation that what they are using as "support" is eisegesis, that flipping literal and figurative expressions, like 'the word of God' destroy the trinity so easily BECAUSE there is no trinity in the Bible.

Said differently, IF there was a trinity verse, such emotional investment as John 1:1 being figurative would not be necessary.

You're continuing to embarrass yourself. John declares that he literally and actually saw the Word of God (in a vision) which was also witnessed by an Angel that was accompanying him! Figures of speeches are never literally seen. They are metaphors.

(Rev 1:2) who [John] bore record of the Word of God and of the testimony of Jesus Christ and of all the things that he saw.

2. There is absolutely nothing flippant about recognizing that God - in his unitarian nature - gave Jesus the revelation. You attempt to distract with the part of the sentence of why he gave the revelation - so it could be declared to his servants - is besides the point.

I fully recognize that God gave Jesus revelation but you have tossed away the reason why. English comprehension dictates that you take in the entirety of sentences if you are ever to fully understand what the Author is communicating. You're running away from reading the entirety of that particular sentence because it focuses us on Christ's Mediator Role and dispells the silly idea that the Word of God knows nothing, which by the way contradicts scripture.

 

[Wrangler]

You're continuing to embarrass yourself. John declares that he literally and actually saw the Word of God (in a vision) which was also witnessed by an Angel that was accompanying him! Figures of speeches are never literally seen. They are metaphors.

Literal metaphors. How embarrassing.

 

[synergy]

Literal metaphors. How embarrassing.

Where did you see the phrase "literal metaphors"?

What I did say is that what John saw was literal. Which means that what John saw was not a figure of speech and not a metaphor.

Is your Unitarian Word of God still a figure of speech?

 

[Anja]

The doctrine of the Trinity is a major distinguishing feature of Christianity which sets it apart from these other religions. On the one hand, it clearly distinguishes Christianity from the strongly monotheistic religions such as Judaism and Islam. On the other hand, it separates Christianity from polytheistic and pantheistic religions such as the Eastern religions. Thus, it is especially important in our time. The Trinity is right, Always has been, Always will be.

 

[Wrangler]

Great

Where did you see the phrase "literal metaphors"?

I highlighted it in red. You could only miss it by choice. Carry on with your square circles.

 

[synergy]

Great

I highlighted it in red. You could only miss it by choice. Carry on with your square circles.

You wrote the phrase "literal metaphors", not me.

You are known to change other person's quotes. Now you're combining words from my different sentences, merging those words, and claiming the resulting phrase as mine. Your techniques might work around your circles but not here, sorry.

You continue to run away from my question: Is your Unitarian Word of God still a figure of speech?