Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition

[GeneZ]

There is one true God, YHWH, who we with Jesus relate to as Father.

As the Son relates to the Father?
Relates by means of His Deity and humanity in union?
He then in turn relates the Father to us in our humanity!


Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes
to the Father except through me." John 14:6

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." John 1:18


Take away the Son? He never existed?

We would have nothing to discuss here concerning the Father.

 

[Wrangler]

There is no catch. The Bible simply says 'there is one God, the Father.' The question is, do you believe it? (yes or no)

@GeneZ can't answer this simple question simply. Truth.

 

[GeneZ]

@GeneZ can't answer this simple question simply. Truth.

If the simple question was logical and agreed with the full council of God's Word I would have lifted my little finger to answer.

Try again.

Please make sense when you ask by staying with Scripture from the whole tree .... not just a few cherries.

 

[GeneZ]

I experienced in my younger days many years ago while attending Bible college and in various churches, that some people who were sitting in the congregations would take note of what teachings that disturbed and bothered baby Christians.

They took note of this weakness, and then for some reason, decided to use those teachings to challenge Christians wherever they go.
Some will continue using the same old teaching over and over again to bother baby Christians in a desire only known to themselves.

But, there comes a time when they will fail to see something by using that same ploy.
That there are many Christians who continued growing well beyond baby thinking in knowledge and understanding.
They have matured beyond what baby Christians wrestled with.

So, when that same old perplexing teaching for baby Christians gets presented to believers who have grown and matured?

It soon becomes boring.

Yet, well intentioned believers will try to reason. But the one they reason with lacks the capacity for the answers.
It just bogs everything down and causes frustration.

God's solution?

"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time.
After that, have nothing to do with them." Titus 3:10


Anyone here agree with this assessment?

grace and peace ...........

 

[synergy]

I believe the Bible. It says there is one God the father. Do you believe this?

That makes your Unitarian Jesus what? One of the many gods?

 

[Wrangler]

That makes your Unitarian Jesus what? One of the many gods?

Yes for there are many real gods in Scripture as you know and Jesus is one of many such real gods. Jesus is just what Scripture says Jesus is - God's Anointed.


This is the beginning of the good news of Jesus, the Anointed One, the Liberating King, the Son of God.
Mark 1:1

 

[synergy]

Yes for there are many real gods in Scripture as you know and Jesus is one of many such real gods. Jesus is just what Scripture says Jesus is - God's Anointed.


This is the beginning of the good news of Jesus, the Anointed One, the Liberating King, the Son of God.
Mark 1:1

The Trinitarian Jesus is way above the Unitarian Jesus and is on the level of God the Father. The Trinitarian Jesus is not one of "those who are called gods" like your Unitarian Jesus "but there is to us only one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ".

(1 Cor 8:5) For though there are those who are called gods, whether in Heaven or in earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
(1 Cor 8:6) but there is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him.

As a further support of Jesus Christ's Divinity:

1. Jesus explicitly called himself the "I Am" of the OT who existed even before Abraham existed (John 8:58).
2. Thomas explicitly called Jesus "My Lord and My God!" (John 20:28) and Jesus accepted that declaration.
3. Only God has the power to save us from our sins. Therefore, since the Bible explicitly does declare that Jesus saves (Matt 1:21) therefore Jesus is God.
4. Only God can defang Hades. Jesus explicitly did just that by His Resurrection which proves that He is God.

 

[Wrangler]

The Trinitarian Jesus is way above the Unitarian Jesus

Yea, making a man a god will do that. Violating the 1C, not too smart.

 

[GeneZ]

Yea, making a man a god will do that. Violating the 1C, not too smart.

Its not making man a God.
It was God making God into a man....

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Philippians 2:6-8


God does not require that we make truth that confuses us, into something that will not confuse us.
Truth wants to master over us.
Not, us master over truth..

Christians have been given the power of grace to get what I said.

 

[synergy]

Yea, making a man a god will do that. Violating the 1C, not too smart.

You need to address your beef with the Apostles. The Apostles are not violating the 1C and neither am I.

I see you immediately ran away from addressing the following verses I highlighted below, without so much as a mention that you would address them later. Run Wranger Run!

The Trinitarian Jesus is way above the Unitarian Jesus and is on the level of God the Father. The Trinitarian Jesus is not one of "those who are called gods" like your Unitarian Jesus "but there is to us only one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ".

(1 Cor 8:5) For though there are those who are called gods, whether in Heaven or in earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
(1 Cor 8:6) but there is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him.

As a further support of Jesus Christ's Divinity:

1. Jesus explicitly called himself the "I Am" of the OT who existed even before Abraham existed (John 8:58).
2. Thomas explicitly called Jesus "My Lord and My God!" (John 20:28) and Jesus accepted that declaration of belief.
3. Only God has the power to save us from our sins. Therefore, since the Bible explicitly does declare that Jesus saves (Matt 1:21) therefore Jesus is God.
4. Only God can defang Hades. Jesus explicitly did just that by His Resurrection which proves that He is God.

 

[synergy]

Its not making man a God.
It was God making God into a man....

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

Philippians 2:6-8


God does not require that we make truth that confuses us, into something that will not confuse us.
Truth wants to master over us.
Not, us master over truth..

Christians have been given the power of grace to get what I said.

@Wrangler just exposed his Unitarian Jesus as "one of many such real gods".
1 Cor 8:5-6 clearly argues vehemently against classifying the true Jesus as such.
Sorry Wrangler, between your Unitarian god (one of many gods) and the Uncreated Word of God, Jesus, I choose Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

Its not making man a God.
It was God making God into a man....

Sure, that is the claim but it violates explicit Scripture. The way to interpret Phillipians is through 1 Cor 8:6 there is only one God, the Father.

 

[synergy]

Sure, that is the claim but it violates explicit Scripture. The way to interpret Phillipians is through 1 Cor 8:6 there is only one God, the Father.

You just exposed his Unitarian Jesus as "one of many such real gods".
1 Cor 8:5-6 clearly argues vehemently against classifying the true Jesus as such.
Nothing @GeneZ wrote violates Scripture.
Stop running away from the following verses mentioned below:

The Trinitarian Jesus is way above the Unitarian Jesus and is on the level of God the Father. The Trinitarian Jesus is not one of "those who are called gods" like your Unitarian Jesus "but there is to us only one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ".

(1 Cor 8:5) For though there are those who are called gods, whether in Heaven or in earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
(1 Cor 8:6) but there is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him.

As a further support of Jesus Christ's Divinity:

1. Jesus explicitly called himself the "I Am" of the OT who existed even before Abraham existed (John 8:58).
2. Thomas explicitly called Jesus "My Lord and My God!" (John 20:28) and Jesus accepted that declaration.
3. Only God has the power to save us from our sins. Therefore, since the Bible explicitly does declare that Jesus saves (Matt 1:21) therefore Jesus is God.
4. Only God can defang Hades. Jesus explicitly did just that by His Resurrection which proves that He is God.

Sorry Wrangler, between your Unitarian god (one of many gods) and the Uncreated Word of God, Jesus, we choose Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

You just exposed his Unitarian Jesus as "one of many such real gods".
1 Cor 8:5-6 clearly argues vehemently against classifying the true Jesus as such.

LOL. ‘There is only one God, the Father’ means what about Jesus?

 

[Wrangler]

Sorry Wrangler, between your Unitarian god (one of many gods) and the Uncreated Word of God

You got it all wrong and it must be deliberate.

There is one God, YHWH, who is the supreme being, who we relate to as father. 1 COR 8:6.

Regarding Jesus, is he is one of many in authority (masters) called god or lord. For us Christians, he is our only master.

 

[GeneZ]

Sure, that is the claim but it violates explicit Scripture. The way to interpret Phillipians is through 1 Cor 8:6 there is only one God, the Father.

So? You are sticking to just one verse without the entire context of Scripture for understanding?

Now I wonder....

What do you do with this one? Matthew 5:29

“So if your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. ​

It is better for you to lose a part of your body than to have all of it thrown into hell." ​

Do you believe that Word of God? Don't you? Your eye ever cause you to sin?



And, by the way.

There is only one God , the Father.

That is why the Deity of Jesus is the same Deity as the Father.

And the Deity of the Holy Spirit is the same Deity as the Father.

After all? There is only one God.

But, just the same.

There is only One Son. The Son who is the Deity of the Father in unique union with Jehovah's " Soul."
The same Soul that was in union with God long before the Incarnation ever took place!
He was always two natures in union!

.........

 

[Wrangler]

So? You are sticking to just one verse without the entire context of Scripture for understanding?

No. All of Scripture supports the monotheist view; all the writers are Jews who reject the trinity to this day.

Please construct a stronger anti-trinitarian statement in as few words as there is only one God, the Father?

Adding more verses do not supersede the explicit meaning of these few words in this one verse.

 

[Fred]

1 COR 8:6.

Thanks for citing a passage which proves Jesus is YHWH, for the "Lord' also refers to Him in 1 Corinthians 10:26.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/jesus-is-the-lord-yhwh-in-1-corinthians-10-26-psalm-24-1-cf-deuteronomy-6-4.216/

 

[synergy]

LOL. ‘There is only one God, the Father’ means what about Jesus?

Even a 1st grade child knows that you have to read a full sentence to comprehend what the author is attempting to communicate.
So let's go over your 1st grade education. Let's read sentences in their entirety, shall we?

Here is the sentence in its entirety:
(1 Cor 8:5) For though there are those who are called gods, whether in Heaven or in earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
(1 Cor 8:6) but there is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him.

Notice the 1st part of the sentence (1 Cor 8:5). It is talking about gods. Your Unitarian Jesus is "one of many such real gods" as you stated.
Now let's go to the 2nd part of the sentence (1 Cor 8:6). It is contrasting the true God and the one Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to your Unitarian Jesus which is "one of many such real gods". You see, there is either the Unitarian Jesus (one of many such real gods) or the one Lord Jesus Christ. We all need to choose wisely.

If you learn sentence reading well today then you will be rewarded with extra recess time tomorrow.

 

[GeneZ]

No. All of Scripture supports the monotheist view; all the writers are Jews who reject the trinity to this day.

Please construct a stronger anti-trinitarian statement in as few words as there is only one God, the Father?

Adding more verses do not supersede the explicit meaning of these few words in this one verse.

Who is not monotheistic?

When it comes to God? The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all the same Deity! One God!
Not three gods. One God only.