Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition

[synergy]

Because that is irrelevant to the point. The point is Jesus is not God as God gave Jesus the Revelation.

You continue to exhibit very poor English language comprehension skills. On top of that you are very flippant with what's relevant within Bible verses and what's not. Let's look at Rev 1:1 again.

(Rev 1:1) A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John,

What did Jesus signify by sending His angel to John? Was it that God gave a revelation to Jesus? That's nonsensical. Or was it to declare to John things that must shortly come to pass? That's it! The purpose of this verse is "to declare to His servants". Your attempt to toss out the very phrase that demonstrates the very purpose of the verse shows your very poor English comprehension skills. English must be your 2nd or 3rd language. That's the only excuse you can give for such lack of English language comprehension.

So, if you add in Christ's knowledge of the Father Bible verses (John 7:29, Matt 11:27, etc...) together with the above observation we get the following conclusion:

Rev 1:1 is talking about Christ's Mediator role, meaning that the revelation that John received from His Father, to write down by the Holy Spirit, comes only through Christ, as authorized by God the Father. In other words, no one can receive spiritual gifts, bessings, nor revelation apart from Jesus, the One Mediator between the Father and man. So it's not that Jesus knows nothing; it's that what Jesus does know from the Father is authorized by the Father to Jesus for it to be revealed to John through the Holy Spirit.

 

[GeneZ]

Notice....

You continue to exhibit very poor English language comprehension skills. On top of that you are very flippant with what's relevant within Bible verses and what's not. Let's look at Rev 1:1 again.

(Rev 1:1) A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to declare to His servants things which must shortly come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John,

What did Jesus signify by sending His angel to John? Was it that God gave a revelation to Jesus? That's nonsensical. Or was it to declare to John things that must shortly come to pass? That's it! The purpose of this verse is "to declare to His servants". Your attempt to toss out the very phrase that demonstrates the very purpose of the verse shows your very poor English comprehension skills. English must be your 2nd or 3rd language. That's the only excuse you can give for such lack of English language comprehension.

So, if you add in Christ's knowledge of the Father Bible verses (John 7:29, Matt 11:27, etc...) together with the above observation we get the following conclusion:

Rev 1:1 is talking about Christ's Mediator role, meaning that the revelation that John received from His Father, to write down by the Holy Spirit, comes only through Christ, as authorized by God the Father. In other words, no one can receive spiritual gifts, bessings, nor revelation apart from Jesus, the One Mediator between the Father and man. So it's not that Jesus knows nothing; it's that what Jesus does know from the Father is authorized by the Father to Jesus for it to be revealed to John through the Holy Spirit.

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"For the flesh craves anything that opposes The Spirit and The Spirit craves whatever ​

opposes the flesh, and they both are contrary one to another, lest you would be doing ​

whatever you want." Gal 5:17​

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[synergy]

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"For the flesh craves anything that opposes The Spirit and The Spirit craves whatever ​

opposes the flesh, and they both are contrary one to another, lest you would be doing ​

whatever you want." Gal 5:17​

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Unitarians can be either that or they have very poor language comprehension skills. I can't see them having any other excuse for their poor language comprehension skills.

 

[GeneZ]

Unitarians can be either that or they have very poor language comprehension skills. I can't see them having any other excuse for their poor language comprehension skills.

His posts do not reveal poor language comprehension....

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.
@Wrangler, you said God gave the Lord Jesus the revelation about himself... correct. meaning you believe this is two distinct person in Revelation 1:1 ... right.

question, "how many person(s) is this book of Revelation is from? listen, Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;" Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

in verse 5, this is a no brainer, the Lord Jesus, is one person. now the "him" who is, and which was, and which is to come, must be the one whom you calls the Father, or God in Rev. 1:1 who gave the revelation to the Lord Jesus.... right? and finally "The Seven Spirit" the Holy Spirit....... is this assessment correct to YOU? if you believe this is in ERROR, please feel free to change any persons up as you see fit.

will be looking for your answer.

101G.

 

[Administrator]

Please try to remember to keep your post about what is being discussed and not the poster.

 

[GeneZ]

GINOLJC, to all.
@Wrangler, you said God gave the Lord Jesus the revelation about himself... correct. meaning you believe this is two distinct person in Revelation 1:1 ... right.

God not only has His Son having the revelation about Himself.

Jesus is the full limit for man, of all the God ever to be made knowable to man about God.

If we need to know anything about the Father?
Know for all eternity, not just now?
It is already being fully known to the Son.

In other words...

Jesus is God being manifested to men as God being filtered though The Man Jesus to make God knowable to men.

In essence? Jesus is our eternal contact point for man knowing God.

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Colossians 2:9​

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"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God ​

and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." John 1:18​

grace and peace .............

 

[Wrangler]

You continue to exhibit very poor English language comprehension skills.

Yea. Ad Homenim shows you’ve lost the argument. God gave Jesus the Revelation in Rev 1:1. True?

 

[101G]

Jesus is God being manifested to men as God being filtered though The Man Jesus to make God knowable to men.

agreed. the Ordinal Last.

101G

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is God being manifested to men as God being filtered though The Man Jesus to make God knowable to men.

What Scripture verse says this?

 

[101G]

What Scripture verse says this?

Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

101G.

LOl You think these verses are saying what you claim? Give me a break! What Eisegesis.

 

[101G]

LOl You think these verses are saying what you claim? Give me a break! What Eisegesis.

did God speak to us by his Son? yes or no.

101G

 

[synergy]

Yea. Ad Homenim shows you’ve lost the argument. God gave Jesus the Revelation in Rev 1:1. True?

Run Unitarians Run from having to address:

1. your poor understanding of what exactly is or is not a metaphor in the English language, and
2. your flippant attitude in how you're all so willing to disregard critical portions of Bible verses (i.e.: "to declare to His servants" in Rev 1:1) that do not align with your predispositions.

 

[civic]

Please try to remember to keep your post about what is being discussed and not the poster.

Ditto

 

[synergy]

Ditto

I made my latest post (comment #174) about Unitarians. Is that ok?

 

[GeneZ]

What does the word 'wrangle' meaning?


argument

1. : to dispute angrily or peevishly : bicker. 2. : to engage in argument or controversy. transitive verb.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrangle#:~:text=intransitive verb-,1,transitive verb


As Christians we are told to stay away from that.

 

[Administrator]

What does the word 'wrangle' meaning?


argument

1. : to dispute angrily or peevishly : bicker. 2. : to engage in argument or controversy. transitive verb.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wrangle#:~:text=intransitive verb-,1,transitive verb


As Christians we are told to stay away from that.

OR
have a long and complicated dispute:
"the bureaucrats continue wrangling over the fine print"

And that's fine as long as we don't make it personal. The Christian who has a conflict with another Christian is called to address the matter with the other person personally. When matters are handled privately, misunderstanding can be addressed, and there is great potential for the other person to respond positively. It doesn't work real good on a forum first of all because it's not private and second of all it makes us all look bad when we bad mouth each other.

 

[civic]

I made my latest post (comment #174) about Unitarians. Is that ok?

As long as everyone keeps it cordial

 

[GeneZ]

OR
have a long and complicated dispute:
"the bureaucrats continue wrangling over the fine print"

And that's fine as long as we don't make it personal. The Christian who has a conflict with another Christian is called to address the matter with the other person personally. When matters are handled privately, misunderstanding can be addressed, and there is great potential for the other person to respond positively. It doesn't work real good on a forum first of all because it's not private and second of all it makes us all look bad when we bad mouth each other.

I was talking about a definition of a word. Not a person.

What makes us look bad is allowing someone who is deliberately blaspheming. And, being non responsive to all correction.
Continuing freely like he knows someone here who is in charge.

I would much rather see discussions how the Word of God correlates and constructs into a model for thinking with truth in a stronger way.

Some might come here and think all that Christians will do is to argue endlessly and allow the one taunting weak believers
(who do not know better) to continue with what we in the church have been commanded to not be doing.

I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them." Romans 16:17​

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But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. You may be sure that such people are warped and sinful; they are self-condemned." Titus 3:9-11​

If obeyed? That is what would be good if enough here knew that much - and did it.
But we keep allowing disobedience out of ignorance to flourish. That's like defunding the police.

Now if someone has secretly been assigned to play the Devil's advocate to stir up forum activity?
Do not let it continue as to discourage and wear everyone out who does not know better.....
Its like the cat taunting a dog on a leash.

Either way. I could not stand by and just watch my brothers and sisters being gaslighted.


In Christ.