The actual Greek word is not Church in Revelation, it translates congregation. You are twisting that any gave the true God power. There are many partial truths in the bible and many things with alternate disguised meanings easily twisted into hundreds of different religions claiming to be Christian. Only the 1 religion that Jesus heads is guided into all truth.
Who is Jesus?
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Peterlag
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The Bible says it's okay to worship Jesus as we do God. Are you saying Jesus is nuts for asking for it?
The Bible says God sent the spirit in the name of Jesus Christ. Are you saying it did not come in the name of Jesus Christ?
Here's the verses...
John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,...
101G
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first ERROR, a spirit is the person, that dwells in a body. why do the Ordinal is called "SON?" listen and learn. the term Son,
1,,G5207, huios ] primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics (See below). It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, Heb 12:8; (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27; (d) friends attending a wedding, Matt 9:15; (e) those who enjoy certain privileges, Acts 3:25; (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14;
now the characteristics or the character of the (PERSON), The Son, listen and learn. Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
the EXPRESS IMAGE is the spirit, or the PERSON of God, which is .... again,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
please understand, when the spirit meets the BODY to dwell in, a SOUL is produced. Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." understand now?
101G.
101G
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Keiw1, the only excuse you have is, "You are twisting that any gave the true God power". well the Lord Jesus is the TRUTH, meaning he is TRUE, and he is GOD. now supportive scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
this is the GREAT COMMISSION; you should have known this. the Lord Jesus who is God is "GIVEN" m.... POWER. because he is the ECHAD of himself in Glorified Flesh that was to come, which is his own IMAGE from Genesis 1:26 & 27. man this is too easy.
if you cannot answer with scripture, just don't answer ... ok, for 101G will not address anymore excuses, only scripture.
be blessed.
101G.
Peterlag
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John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
There is no verse that says God is a man.
I am saying Jesus has to be fully God to accept worship. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit..that's the power of God. Fully God.
If those verses aren't enough then how about the fact all things were made thru Jesus and by Him?
All the fullness of the deity dwells in Him bodily. That is a man that is fully God. Read context. Read between the lines. Compare scripture with scripture.
Peterlag
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There is no verse that says all the fullness of the deity dwells in Him.
Peterlag
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Are you referring to Colossians 1:16?
The all things are thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers that Jesus will need to govern on the new earth and in the new heaven. It tells you right in the verse what they are. They are not oceans, planets, and suns.
(Col 2:9) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
101G
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Isaiah 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies."
listen carefully, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." NOW QUESTION TIME. "When did God come?" the very next verse, Isaiah 35:5 "Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped." Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert." (who is this as a Man, see Isaiah chapter 53).
but let's just get to God as a man. this should be a good scripture for you. ,,,, (smile), Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
and please note: a child is born, unto us a son is given do you truly understand that? if not just ask.
now just one from the NT. John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." now before you ask, 101G suggest you read John 1:1 up to verse 14. ...... (smile).
101G.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJV - 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 1:16-17 KJV - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Complete
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Subject Heading, 'Who Is Jesus?
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Hello there,
The words ,'God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself' (2 Cor. 5:19), and the words, 'a body hast Thou prepared me' (Heb. 10:5), come into my mind when I think of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and also His role as, 'Kinsman Redeemer' (Job 19:25) which necessitated that He become flesh. thereby identifying Himself with humanity that He might redeem them. The role of Kinsman Redeemer in the Old Testament is worth reading in this regard, which Boaz in the book of Ruth personifies.
Like Thomas, I acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ, now risen and glorified, to be my 'Lord' and my 'God' (John 20:28)
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Hello there,
The words ,'God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself' (2 Cor. 5:19), and the words, 'a body hast Thou prepared me' (Heb. 10:5), come into my mind when I think of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and also His role as, 'Kinsman Redeemer' (Job 19:25) which necessitated that He become flesh. thereby identifying Himself with humanity that He might redeem them. The role of Kinsman Redeemer in the Old Testament is worth reading in this regard, which Boaz in the book of Ruth personifies.
Like Thomas, I acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ, now risen and glorified, to be my 'Lord' and my 'God' (John 20:28)
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Complete
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'Beloved, believe not every spirit,
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
.. Every spirit that confesseth
.... that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
...... is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not
.. that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
.... is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.'
(1Jn 4:1-3)
* Jesus Christ = 'God (our) Saviour', or 'God Who (is) salvation'.
'And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call His name JESUS:
for He shall save His people from their sins.'
(Mat 1:21)
Praise God!
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
.. Every spirit that confesseth
.... that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
...... is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not
.. that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
.... is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.'
(1Jn 4:1-3)
* Jesus Christ = 'God (our) Saviour', or 'God Who (is) salvation'.
The humbled One, now exalted to God's right hand.
'And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call His name JESUS:
for He shall save His people from their sins.'
(Mat 1:21)
Praise God!
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101G
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101G
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Correct and on POINT. for he is our 'Kinsman Redeemer' , in addition to (Job 19:25) this is also clearly stated in Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones." this term "Fellow" is the Hebrew word,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.
Definition #2. says it all, "(hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.". yes, a KINDRED MAN. yes, God as a Man. and this is backed up in the NT according to the apostle John in Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
the term "OFFSPRING" is the keyword, it's the Greek term,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
there he is..... "kin." as in KINsman Redeemer.
thanks sister Complete. be blessed.
101G.
Peterlag
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The word "all" means all of the thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers. The word "all" is used like this every minute in our world and for some reason you want it to mean something else. I told my wife our son ate all the cookies last night. That did not mean our Bobby ate all the cookies in the world.
Peterlag
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Colossians 2:9... This verse is very good proof that Jesus Christ was not God. It would make no sense to say that “what God is,” dwells in God. It is only because Christ is not God that it makes sense to say that what God is dwells in Christ. What God was, all his character and glory, dwelt in Christ in a bodily form. Some Trinitarians recognize that logically what God is could not dwell in God, and so they assert that this verse is referring to the “man” part of Christ (the doctrine of the Trinity states that Jesus is both fully God and fully human. The fact that this is logically impossible by definition is ignored and taken as one of the mysteries of the Faith).
101G
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if EVERY was used it would include your Bobby. but the use of "ALL" is inclusive when and where specified. and here in Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." all the "FULNESS" of the Godhead. is the same as EVERY-thing concerning God. let's make this perfectly clear. scripture, Romans 1:7 "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."
is this to "ALL" that be in Rome is beloved of God? no, that do not include "EVERY-one in Rome, correct. but do it not include EVERY-one who is "called of God?" YES. so ALL the fulness of the Godhead is inclusive.
101G.
