360watt
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All the fullness of the deity dwells in Him bodily. That is a man that is fully God. Read context. Read between the lines. Compare scripture with scripture.
Who is Jesus?
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Peterlag
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There is no verse that says all the fullness of the deity dwells in Him.
Peterlag
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Are you referring to Colossians 1:16?
The all things are thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers that Jesus will need to govern on the new earth and in the new heaven. It tells you right in the verse what they are. They are not oceans, planets, and suns.
synergy
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(Col 2:9) For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
101G
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Isaiah 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies."
listen carefully, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." NOW QUESTION TIME. "When did God come?" the very next verse, Isaiah 35:5 "Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped." Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert." (who is this as a Man, see Isaiah chapter 53).
but let's just get to God as a man. this should be a good scripture for you. ,,,, (smile), Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
and please note: a child is born, unto us a son is given do you truly understand that? if not just ask.
now just one from the NT. John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." now before you ask, 101G suggest you read John 1:1 up to verse 14. ...... (smile).
101G.
360watt
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Colossians 2:8-9 KJV - 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
360watt
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Colossians 1:16-17 KJV - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Complete
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Subject Heading, 'Who Is Jesus?
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Hello there,
The words ,'God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself' (2 Cor. 5:19), and the words, 'a body hast Thou prepared me' (Heb. 10:5), come into my mind when I think of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and also His role as, 'Kinsman Redeemer' (Job 19:25) which necessitated that He become flesh. thereby identifying Himself with humanity that He might redeem them. The role of Kinsman Redeemer in the Old Testament is worth reading in this regard, which Boaz in the book of Ruth personifies.
Like Thomas, I acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ, now risen and glorified, to be my 'Lord' and my 'God' (John 20:28)
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Hello there,
The words ,'God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself' (2 Cor. 5:19), and the words, 'a body hast Thou prepared me' (Heb. 10:5), come into my mind when I think of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, and also His role as, 'Kinsman Redeemer' (Job 19:25) which necessitated that He become flesh. thereby identifying Himself with humanity that He might redeem them. The role of Kinsman Redeemer in the Old Testament is worth reading in this regard, which Boaz in the book of Ruth personifies.
Like Thomas, I acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ, now risen and glorified, to be my 'Lord' and my 'God' (John 20:28)
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Complete
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'Beloved, believe not every spirit,
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
.. Every spirit that confesseth
.... that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
...... is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not
.. that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
.... is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.'
(1Jn 4:1-3)
* Jesus Christ = 'God (our) Saviour', or 'God Who (is) salvation'.
'And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call His name JESUS:
for He shall save His people from their sins.'
(Mat 1:21)
Praise God!
but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:
.. Every spirit that confesseth
.... that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
...... is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not
.. that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
.... is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world.'
(1Jn 4:1-3)
* Jesus Christ = 'God (our) Saviour', or 'God Who (is) salvation'.
The humbled One, now exalted to God's right hand.
'And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call His name JESUS:
for He shall save His people from their sins.'
(Mat 1:21)
Praise God!
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101G
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101G
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Correct and on POINT. for he is our 'Kinsman Redeemer' , in addition to (Job 19:25) this is also clearly stated in Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones." this term "Fellow" is the Hebrew word,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.
Definition #2. says it all, "(hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.". yes, a KINDRED MAN. yes, God as a Man. and this is backed up in the NT according to the apostle John in Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
the term "OFFSPRING" is the keyword, it's the Greek term,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
there he is..... "kin." as in KINsman Redeemer.
thanks sister Complete. be blessed.
101G.
Peterlag
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The word "all" means all of the thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers. The word "all" is used like this every minute in our world and for some reason you want it to mean something else. I told my wife our son ate all the cookies last night. That did not mean our Bobby ate all the cookies in the world.
Peterlag
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Colossians 2:9... This verse is very good proof that Jesus Christ was not God. It would make no sense to say that “what God is,” dwells in God. It is only because Christ is not God that it makes sense to say that what God is dwells in Christ. What God was, all his character and glory, dwelt in Christ in a bodily form. Some Trinitarians recognize that logically what God is could not dwell in God, and so they assert that this verse is referring to the “man” part of Christ (the doctrine of the Trinity states that Jesus is both fully God and fully human. The fact that this is logically impossible by definition is ignored and taken as one of the mysteries of the Faith).
101G
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if EVERY was used it would include your Bobby. but the use of "ALL" is inclusive when and where specified. and here in Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." all the "FULNESS" of the Godhead. is the same as EVERY-thing concerning God. let's make this perfectly clear. scripture, Romans 1:7 "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."
is this to "ALL" that be in Rome is beloved of God? no, that do not include "EVERY-one in Rome, correct. but do it not include EVERY-one who is "called of God?" YES. so ALL the fulness of the Godhead is inclusive.
101G.
Peterlag
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There has to be a reason why you want to believe that Jesus is God. Why would God want to be a man? What would that achieve? There are a number of New Testament verses that state Jesus was a man and we can see them in places like Romans that says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).
Peterlag
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Is "to all" that be at Rome mean...
a.) All those who live in Rome
b.) All those who are in Rome
c.) All called saints that live in Rome
d) All called saints that are in Rome
101G
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because the scriptures say so? ... (smile). let see a good example of WHY 101G believes this. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
so my brother, is this not the SAME ONE PERSON? the First "WITH" the Last? yes or no. your answer please.
101G
101G
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if you live there then you're there, DEAD or ALIVE. now, are all in Rome called to be saints? no.... now read my post again and try again.... (smile).
101G.
Peterlag
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The Scriptures have to make sense. They can't just make statements that make no sense. If the Scriptures say I can redeem myself. Then they don't make sense because the whole New Testament teaches the Christ redeemed us. So it has to make sense and it does not make sense to have Jesus be God.
360watt
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If Jesus has redeemed you, He has power over your sin to forgive it. That's fully God power.
I could forgive you for personally offending me, but Jesus forgives those who haven't personally offended Him directly.
Jesus standard is the law of sin. Not just personal offence.
Who can have that standard but someone who is fully God
