Who is Jesus?

[dwight92070]

The words in the NASB are"emptied Himself".
Fortunately, you're not God. And yet Jesus is.

Jesus could not have plopped down fully grown. If He did, He could not have fulfilled what the author of Hebrews says about Him:
"Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted." Hebrews 2:17-18

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus could not have plopped down fully grown. If He did, He could not have fulfilled what the author of Hebrews says about Him:
"Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted." Hebrews 2:17-18

What you're describing above is a man.

 

[dwight92070]

Now I see where you're getting this from. A different Bible than what I read and so I had to look into this and this is what I found. Philippians 2:7 is not speaking either of Christ’s giving up his God-hood at his incarnation or of his God-nature being willing to “hide” so that his man-nature can show itself clearly. Scripture says Christ was the “image of God” and Jesus himself testified that if one had seen him, he had seen the Father. Saying that Christ was in the “form” (outward appearance) of God is simply stating that truth in another way. Unlike Adam, who grasped at being like God, Christ the Last Adam, “emptied himself” of all his reputation and the things due him as the true child of the King. He lived in the same fashion as other men. He humbled himself to the will of God. He lived by “It is written” and the commands of his Father. He did not “toot his own horn” but instead called himself “the son of man, which in the Aramaic language he spoke meant “a man.” He trusted God and became obedient even to a horrible and shameful death on a cross.

"but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself ..." Hebrews 2:7

If He was made in the "likeness of men" and if He was "found in appearance as a man", then what was He before? Obviously, not like men and not appearing as a man.

"although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped." Hebrews 2:6

He existed in the form of God. His mother was Mary, yet His Father was not Joseph but God. It was impossible that He could be just a man like you and me. We had a human father and a human mother. He did not. He had only a human mother, but His Father was the Creator Himself.

 

[dwight92070]

What you're describing above is a man.

He WAS a man, but He also WAS God.

 

[Peterlag]

He WAS a man, but He also WAS God.

I don't see a teaching on that in the Scriptures. Just bits and pieces of scattered verses twisted and taken out of context.

 

[Peterlag]

"but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself ..." Hebrews 2:7

If He was made in the "likeness of men" and if He was "found in appearance as a man", then what was He before? Obviously, not like men and not appearing as a man.

"although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped." Hebrews 2:6

He existed in the form of God. His mother was Mary, yet His Father was not Joseph but God. It was impossible that He could be just a man like you and me. We had a human father and a human mother. He did not. He had only a human mother, but His Father was the Creator Himself.

See you make this jump that is not in Scripture and so I can even call it only your opinion when you say what was he before? And then you jump from there to he must have been God. I could jump too saying obviously he was from outer space, or maybe an angel. No I know what he is. He's the son of God, the King of Israel, the Christ (Messiah) and now the resurrected Lord.

 

[101G]

I don't see Jesus emptying anything and how you do is beyond my intelligence.

so, you don't believe the bible? that's ok, we will present the truth to you as you said, "In an intelligent way for you to understand". this is why we walk by FAITH, and not by sight. but 101G will by sight open your eyes, in Christ. listen and learn, Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
101G will help you to IMPROVE your intelligence right off the bat. LISTEN... PLEASE. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
the Greek term "Form" here is,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

101G is using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments for this definition. now notice definition #2. but look right below it.... [perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)] there lay the intelligence you seek. your answer is in the ROOT of this word. for
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n. means,
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.

definition #1 give us the intelligent answer. for a PORTION is synonyms with "SHARE", or SHARE EQUALLY, when used as a Noun, as here, to indicate, "A part of a whole", (as in the H259 ECHAD). this definition can be found at word hippo, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html#C0-1. also another word for SHARE is "Diversity" as in .... "inequality", for the verse in Philippians 2:6 SHOWS HIS EQUALITY, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" notice to be EQUAL .... "WITH" and not TO. for "WITH" means the same one person.

now, knowing this, let bring it all together for your clear intelligence of understanding. question is "Diversity" in the Bible, answer YES. for is it clearly see, and HIDDEN, for the HIDDEN. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

the OFFSPRING of David? yes, listen to the definition.
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

BINGO, there is your intelligence answer, "DIVERSITY", which 101G teach. the Lord Jesus is the "DIVERSIFICATION" of himself in FLESH as a man, just as Philippians 2:6 & 7 clearly states. or as the Hebrew term H259 ECHAD States in the OT. diversification is the answer you seek.

now "Diversity" in plain sight. 1 Corinthians 12:1 "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant." 1 Corinthians 12:2 "Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." 1 Corinthians 12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

see those terms, "diversities", and " differences", let's see what they mean?
Diversities: G1243 διαίρεσις diairesis (d̮iy-ai'-re-sis) n.
a distinction or (concretely) variety.
[from G1244]
KJV: difference, diversity
Root(s): G1244

now Differences:
G1243 διαίρεσις diairesis (d̮iy-ai'-re-sis) n.
a distinction or (concretely) variety.
[from G1244]
KJV: difference, diversity
Root(s): G1244

it's all the same meaning. and to better describe this "Diversity" or the H259 ECHAD of God SHARED EQUALLY in flesh is the Greek term G243 "ANOTHER" or the Hebrew tern in the OT, "God's Fellow. (which is ANOTHER of HIMSELF in FLESH). Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

this FELLOW, who's God's EQUAL is none other than the Lord Jesus himselfr... let's see the definition.
Fellow: H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

there is that intelligence answer again, "kindred man"... BINGO, what is the OFFSPRING of God, meaning in flesh? the definition states,
the OFFSPRING of David? yes,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

kin? yes, as in KINsman Redeemer. oh my God, this is just too easy not to understand.

the KINSMAM REDEEMER is God himself, JESUS the LORD, "SHARED EQUALLY" in flesh, (Lord), which is called the OFFSPRING "OF" God in Natural flesh, (the offspring of David), now resurrected in Glorified Flesh, (who is KING).

now, 101G has called you friend, as well as you have called 101G friend, thanks. as a friend 101G is asking you to consider what has been presented ... TRUTH in an intelligence manner by the Scripture, the WORD of God.

please consider what is said here. if you have any question, feel free to ask..... ok.

101G.

 

[101G]

These( Luke 12:32=144,000 Rev 14:3 will sit on thrones as kings and priests by Jesus side(Rev 1:6,, Rev 20:6)-----Rev 7:10= God is on the throne, the lamb is separate.

ok, let 101G ask you this. you say God is on the throne, meaning the Father right? if so, question, "Who gave the Father POWER?", because Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
now, 101G has scripture that shows the Lord Jesus, who is GOD, receiving POWER. but your delima is that you have him as the Lamb STANDING before the throne. see your problem now?
but 101G will help you out, Standing and sitting indicate show a position of WORK. a sitting priest indicated he is at rest from his duties. and a sitting priest Showns he is active in his work.
spirit can sit in. for as Spirit he fills both heaven and earth. supportive scripture, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." remember there is no throne in heaven or earth that God as the Spirit can sit on. he fills both heaven and earth. so please do not think Philcoal, but Spiritual.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

so, you don't believe the bible? that's ok, we will present the truth to you as you said, "In an intelligent way for you to understand". this is why we walk by FAITH, and not by sight. but 101G will by sight open your eyes, in Christ. listen and learn, Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
101G will help you to IMPROVE your intelligence right off the bat. LISTEN... PLEASE. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
the Greek term "Form" here is,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

101G is using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments for this definition. now notice definition #2. but look right below it.... [perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)] there lay the intelligence you seek. your answer is in the ROOT of this word. for
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n. means,
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.

definition #1 give us the intelligent answer. for a PORTION is synonyms with "SHARE", or SHARE EQUALLY, when used as a Noun, as here, to indicate, "A part of a whole", (as in the H259 ECHAD). this definition can be found at word hippo, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html#C0-1. also another word for SHARE is "Diversity" as in .... "inequality", for the verse in Philippians 2:6 SHOWS HIS EQUALITY, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" notice to be EQUAL .... "WITH" and not TO. for "WITH" means the same one person.

now, knowing this, let bring it all together for your clear intelligence of understanding. question is "Diversity" in the Bible, answer YES. for is it clearly see, and HIDDEN, for the HIDDEN. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

the OFFSPRING of David? yes, listen to the definition.
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

BINGO, there is your intelligence answer, "DIVERSITY", which 101G teach. the Lord Jesus is the "DIVERSIFICATION" of himself in FLESH as a man, just as Philippians 2:6 & 7 clearly states. or as the Hebrew term H259 ECHAD States in the OT. diversification is the answer you seek.

now "Diversity" in plain sight. 1 Corinthians 12:1 "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant." 1 Corinthians 12:2 "Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." 1 Corinthians 12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."

see those terms, "diversities", and " differences", let's see what they mean?
Diversities: G1243 διαίρεσις diairesis (d̮iy-ai'-re-sis) n.
a distinction or (concretely) variety.
[from G1244]
KJV: difference, diversity
Root(s): G1244

now Differences:
G1243 διαίρεσις diairesis (d̮iy-ai'-re-sis) n.
a distinction or (concretely) variety.
[from G1244]
KJV: difference, diversity
Root(s): G1244

it's all the same meaning. and to better describe this "Diversity" or the H259 ECHAD of God SHARED EQUALLY in flesh is the Greek term G243 "ANOTHER" or the Hebrew tern in the OT, "God's Fellow. (which is ANOTHER of HIMSELF in FLESH). Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

this FELLOW, who's God's EQUAL is none other than the Lord Jesus himselfr... let's see the definition.
Fellow: H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

there is that intelligence answer again, "kindred man"... BINGO, what is the OFFSPRING of God, meaning in flesh? the definition states,
the OFFSPRING of David? yes,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

kin? yes, as in KINsman Redeemer. oh my God, this is just too easy not to understand.

the KINSMAM REDEEMER is God himself, JESUS the LORD, "SHARED EQUALLY" in flesh, (Lord), which is called the OFFSPRING "OF" God in Natural flesh, (the offspring of David), now resurrected in Glorified Flesh, (who is KING).

now, 101G has called you friend, as well as you have called 101G friend, thanks. as a friend 101G is asking you to consider what has been presented ... TRUTH in an intelligence manner by the Scripture, the WORD of God.

please consider what is said here. if you have any question, feel free to ask..... ok.

101G.

You're getting ahead of me again. I'm still working on Philippians 2:7 that is not speaking either of Christ’s giving up his God-hood at his incarnation or of his God-nature being willing to “hide” so that his man-nature can show itself clearly. Scripture says Christ was the “image of God” and Jesus himself testified that if one had seen him, he had seen the Father. Saying that Christ was in the “form” (outward appearance) of God is simply stating that truth in another way. Unlike Adam, who grasped at being like God, Christ the Last Adam, “emptied himself” of all his reputation and the things due him as the true child of the King. He lived in the same fashion as other men. He humbled himself to the will of God. He lived by “It is written” and the commands of his Father. He did not “toot his own horn” but instead called himself “the son of man, which in the Aramaic language he spoke meant “a man.” He trusted God and became obedient even to a horrible and shameful death on a cross.

Now on this Philippians 2:6...

From secular writings, we learn that the Greeks used morphē to describe when the gods changed their appearance. Kittel points out that in pagan mythology, the gods change their forms (morphē), and especially notes Aphrodite, Demeter, and Dionysus as three who did. This is clearly a change of appearance, not nature. Josephus, a contemporary of the apostles, used morphē to describe the shape of statues. Other uses of morphē in the Bible support the position that morphē refers to outward appearance. The Gospel of Mark has a short reference to the well-known story in Luke 24:13-33 about Jesus appearing to the two men on the road to Emmaus. Mark tells us that Jesus appeared “in a different form (morphē)” to these two men so that they did not recognize him (Mark 16:12). It shows that the people of the time used the word morphē to refer to a person’s outward appearance. It is clear that Jesus did not have a different “essential nature” when he appeared to the two disciples, he simply had a different outward appearance.

 

[Keiw1]

101G, you are greatly mistaken. Stephen said he saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God. Acts 7:56 These were his last words before being stoned. Do you think he was lying and making up a fictitious story? No, of course not. This in itself shows that Jesus IS sitting at the right hand of God, but then we are told that in other verses too. It's too bad you don't believe those verses. The only reason He was standing was because He was getting ready to welcome Stephen home after his martyrdom.

Yes at Gods right hand--There is one God, one cannot stand at their own right hand=Jesus is not God, he is Gods son.

 

[Keiw1]

ok, let 101G ask you this. you say God is on the throne, meaning the Father right? if so, question, "Who gave the Father POWER?", because Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
now, 101G has scripture that shows the Lord Jesus, who is GOD, receiving POWER. but your delima is that you have him as the Lamb STANDING before the throne. see your problem now?
but 101G will help you out, Standing and sitting indicate show a position of WORK. a sitting priest indicated he is at rest from his duties. and a sitting priest Showns he is active in his work.
spirit can sit in. for as Spirit he fills both heaven and earth. supportive scripture, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." remember there is no throne in heaven or earth that God as the Spirit can sit on. he fills both heaven and earth. so please do not think Philcoal, but Spiritual.

101G.

You guys can really twist things into oblivion. Try believing Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

 

[dwight92070]

You guys can really twist things into oblivion. Try believing Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

I believe both of those verses. No surprise, Jesus calls His Father My God.

Try believing Hebrews 1:8-13 God calls His Son God. Try believing that.

 

[Peterlag]

I believe both of those verses. No surprise, Jesus calls His Father My God.

Try believing Hebrews 1:8-13 God calls His Son God. Try believing that.

Try believing what in Hebrews 1? Are you referring to this?

Some Biblical Unitarians believe that Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 are calling the Messiah “god.” They recognize that this king is not being called “God” with a capital “G,” but they think the Messiah is being called “god,” and they translate both Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 as having “god” with a lowercase “g.” It is true that in the biblical languages, including Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin, the word “GOD” had a much broader meaning than it does today (Hebrew and Aramaic have only uppercase letters, and all the ancient Greek manuscripts were in capital letters, so the manuscripts all read “GOD”). In the biblical languages, “GOD” was a descriptive title applied to a range of authorities, including angels and demons, lesser gods, great people, rulers, and people acting with God’s authority. The word “God” in both Hebrew and Greek could refer to a human being, especially a human being acting under God’s authority. Even Jesus Christ said that (John 10:34-35). So with the understanding that the word “GOD” could refer to a human being, a Biblical Unitarian translation of Hebrews 1:8 is, “Your throne, O god, is forever and ever.”

 

[Keiw1]

I believe both of those verses. No surprise, Jesus calls His Father My God.

Try believing Hebrews 1:8-13 God calls His Son God. Try believing that.

Did you miss verse 4--He has become better than the angels( means he was equal to them) to the extent that he has inherited( given to him by his God) a name more excellent name than theirs)))--thus without being given that name was equal to the angels
OT teaches the same-Psalm 45:7 You have loved righteousness and you hate wickedness. That is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions( angels)

Proof your religions twist things into oblivion. Understandable though since the translations they use are altered( removal of Gods name against his will) and filled with contradictory errors.

 

[360watt]

And Peter answered that question with you are the Christ, (Messiah) the son of God. Peter did not say you are God.

How can He be the Messiah and *not* God?

Also.. what did Thomas call Jesus, that Jesus accepted?

Who did Jesus claim He was around before?

Jesus forgave sin of those who had not personally sinned against Him. Only God has power over sin that way.

Jesus turned water into h20 plus grape juice out of thin air.

Only God can do that .

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit. Only God can do that.

Jesus was head of the disciples but not one of them. What does that say about His status?

Jesus gave Himself by His own power. And resurrected. As He predicted.

He said there is none greater than John the Baptist and then proceeded to do things greater than John the Baptist.

He did not have to say 'I am God' to be fully God.

 

[Peterlag]

How can He be the Messiah and *not* God?

Also.. what did Thomas call Jesus, that Jesus accepted?

Who did Jesus claim He was around before?

Jesus forgave sin of those who had not personally sinned against Him. Only God has power over sin that way.

Jesus turned water into h20 plus grape juice out of thin air.

Only God can do that .

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit. Only God can do that.

Jesus was head of the disciples but not one of them. What does that say about His status?

Jesus gave Himself by His own power. And resurrected. As He predicted.

He said there is none greater than John the Baptist and then proceeded to do things greater than John the Baptist.

He did not have to say 'I am God' to be fully God.

Did it ever cross your mind that Thomas was referring to two creatures when he said my Lord (addressed to Jesus) and then oh my God (addressed to God)?

Jesus did not say he was living before Abraham. He said this whole thing is about me before it was about Abraham.

The son of God had the ability to turn water into wine. And yes God did do that for Jesus.

Jesus could send the holy spirit. There's no Scripture that says only God can do that. You are just making stuff up. None of what you say is biblical. You sound like you're Catholic.

 

[101G]

You're getting ahead of me again. I'm still working on Philippians 2:7 that is not speaking either of Christ’s giving up his God-hood at his incarnation or of his God-nature being willing to “hide” so that his man-nature can show itself clearly. Scripture says Christ was the “image of God” and Jesus himself testified that if one had seen him, he had seen the Father.

GINOLJC, to all.
well let's examine what you said, "Christ was the “image of God”. scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

the Lord Jesus as the Ordinal Last/Son is the, "express image of his person". if you do not understand this. the term Express means EXACT, which means "not approximated in any way; precise" and Exact means "EXPRESS". my source for this definition, can be found here. when used as an https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/express.html#C0-6
Adjective, "Having exact and discernible limits or form".

and the term, "Image", is the Greek word,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image

101G source for this definition, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments

so the EXPRESS IMAGE of God is his (God) OWN Person, (meaning it's him... God Almighty). and that body that he came in, he made. Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:"
Made here as said is his G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty. (which is his Powers). how do we KNOW THIS? answer, Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" so if he was in power while in flesh and blood he would not have the Spirit to descend on him. but as Philippians 2:7 & 8 clearly states, "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." WHY, answer, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

Made here is the Greek term
G1642 ἐλαττόω elattoo (e-lat-to'-ō) v.
to lessen (in rank or influence).
[from G1640]
KJV: decrease, make lower
Root(s): G1640

Lessen, or decrease, in only one way. if I have RANK over you, then I have more "POWER" that you.

Saying that Christ was in the “form” (outward appearance) of God is simply stating that truth in another way.

yes, the NEW MAN to Come, list and learn, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
Recess is over, and back to the classroom. listen, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

did you understand that verse? "So God created man in his own image". Peterlag, as a friend, think. how can an IMAGE exist without the Source? in order to have an IMAGE, one must have a SOURCE for the IMAGE to exist, correct. man is the IMAGE of God, but do God have FLESH, BONE, and BLOOD at Genesis 1:26 and 27? no. but did he not have flesh bone and blood to COME? yes, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." question, how is God with US? by being in a BODY of flesh. and his PERSON/Spirit as Hebrews 1:1-3 also clearly states. so, God is a man, but not like you and I. for Adam is the IMAGE of God, just as the Lord Jesus said, "when you see me, you see the Father". how? once again, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" and notice. one can see the G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') by simply understanding the term "Spirit/LORD, and spirit/Lord. see the difference? spirit, is as a MAN.

my God this is just too easy. let's see the big picture. God came in his OWN IMAGE.... "MAN" ..... which was to come. and as the Ordinal First/the Father/the LORD/ came in Flesh as a MAN, the Ordinal Last/the Son/Lord. let's see it in scripture. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." HOW DID GOD COME? IN FLESH, just read the few verses after Isaiah 35:4

Now, right in Genesis 1:26 & 27 his own IMAGE in FLESH to Come and he did. this is the clearest statement that shows God is a MAN, and we human is that IMAGE. BINGO.

we hope this answered your question. if you still have questions, just ask.

101G.

 

[101G]

You guys can really twist things into oblivion. Try believing Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

LOL, changing the subject, no problem...... John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Spirit/Father. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

while in flesh, (the Son), on earth talking to Nicodemus, at the SAME TIME HE THE Lord JESUS was in Heaven. Read John 3:13 again.... (smile).
understand, as the BODY of God on Earth, (the Son)/in flesh. he says, "My Father", in Heaven, (his Spirit).the Head/Father. My God this is too easy.

now, knowing that, Revelation 3:12 is made easy. "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

the Lord Jesus is saying, my God is "me". how do you CLEARLY KNOW this 101G. while you're in the letters to the seven churches..... the Lord Jesus is addressing all the churches correct. now notice how all the letters end? "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". WHAT? the Spirit has to say..... is it not the Lord Jesus addressing the 7 churches?....... (smile). see, K, my God name is "ME" JESUS who I write my, my, new name on them...... this is so easy.

Now, back to my original question, "Who gave God the Father POWER?" book chapter and verse please.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

GINOLJC, to all.
well let's examine what you said, "Christ was the “image of God”. scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

the Lord Jesus as the Ordinal Last/Son is the, "express image of his person". if you do not understand this. the term Express means EXACT, which means "not approximated in any way; precise" and Exact means "EXPRESS". my source for this definition, can be found here. when used as an https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/express.html#C0-6
Adjective, "Having exact and discernible limits or form".

and the term, "Image", is the Greek word,
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image

101G source for this definition, Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments

so the EXPRESS IMAGE of God is his (God) OWN Person, (meaning it's him... God Almighty). and that body that he came in, he made. Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:"
Made here as said is his G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty. (which is his Powers). how do we KNOW THIS? answer, Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" so if he was in power while in flesh and blood he would not have the Spirit to descend on him. but as Philippians 2:7 & 8 clearly states, "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." WHY, answer, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

Made here is the Greek term
G1642 ἐλαττόω elattoo (e-lat-to'-ō) v.
to lessen (in rank or influence).
[from G1640]
KJV: decrease, make lower
Root(s): G1640

Lessen, or decrease, in only one way. if I have RANK over you, then I have more "POWER" that you.


yes, the NEW MAN to Come, list and learn, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
Recess is over, and back to the classroom. listen, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

did you understand that verse? "So God created man in his own image". Peterlag, as a friend, think. how can an IMAGE exist without the Source? in order to have an IMAGE, one must have a SOURCE for the IMAGE to exist, correct. man is the IMAGE of God, but do God have FLESH, BONE, and BLOOD at Genesis 1:26 and 27? no. but did he not have flesh bone and blood to COME? yes, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." question, how is God with US? by being in a BODY of flesh. and his PERSON/Spirit as Hebrews 1:1-3 also clearly states. so, God is a man, but not like you and I. for Adam is the IMAGE of God, just as the Lord Jesus said, "when you see me, you see the Father". how? once again, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" and notice. one can see the G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') by simply understanding the term "Spirit/LORD, and spirit/Lord. see the difference? spirit, is as a MAN.

my God this is just too easy. let's see the big picture. God came in his OWN IMAGE.... "MAN" ..... which was to come. and as the Ordinal First/the Father/the LORD/ came in Flesh as a MAN, the Ordinal Last/the Son/Lord. let's see it in scripture. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." HOW DID GOD COME? IN FLESH, just read the few verses after Isaiah 35:4

Now, right in Genesis 1:26 & 27 his own IMAGE in FLESH to Come and he did. this is the clearest statement that shows God is a MAN, and we human is that IMAGE. BINGO.

we hope this answered your question. if you still have questions, just ask.

101G.

I believe God is spirit and He created humans in His image which is with spirit.

You believe God is a man and He created humans in His image which is a mam.

 

[360watt]

Did it ever cross your mind that Thomas was referring to two creatures when he said my Lord (addressed to Jesus) and then oh my God (addressed to God)?

Jesus did not say he was living before Abraham. He said this whole thing is about me before it was about Abraham.

The son of God had the ability to turn water into wine. And yes God did do that for Jesus.

Jesus could send the holy spirit. There's no Scripture that says only God can do that. You are just making stuff up. None of what you say is biblical. You sound like you're Catholic.

How can someone who is not fully God, send the Holy Spirit?

The words of the Spirit in Revelation are also Jesus' words.

The Alpha and Omega ..which is terms used for the Father...are given for Jesus in Revelation.

Thomas was worshipping Jesus.

If you accept worship, you are claiming you are God...unless you are nuts!

Yes a king may accept worship..but Jesus is greater than an earthly king. An earthly king also would know it is not worship as a supernatural diety ..but reverence for a great leaders position.

I'm not Catholic.. I'm almost the opposite of catholic seeing I don't believe there is any kind of universal church.