Who is Jesus?

[Peterlag]

Isaiah 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies."
listen carefully, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." NOW QUESTION TIME. "When did God come?" the very next verse, Isaiah 35:5 "Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped." Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert." (who is this as a Man, see Isaiah chapter 53).

but let's just get to God as a man. this should be a good scripture for you. ,,,, (smile), Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

and please note: a child is born, unto us a son is given do you truly understand that? if not just ask.

now just one from the NT. John 1:13 "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." now before you ask, 101G suggest you read John 1:1 up to verse 14. ...... (smile).

101G.

There has to be a reason why you want to believe that Jesus is God. Why would God want to be a man? What would that achieve? There are a number of New Testament verses that state Jesus was a man and we can see them in places like Romans that says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

 

[Peterlag]

if EVERY was used it would include your Bobby. but the use of "ALL" is inclusive when and where specified. and here in Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." all the "FULNESS" of the Godhead. is the same as EVERY-thing concerning God. let's make this perfectly clear. scripture, Romans 1:7 "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ."
is this to "ALL" that be in Rome is beloved of God? no, that do not include "EVERY-one in Rome, correct. but do it not include EVERY-one who is "called of God?" YES. so ALL the fulness of the Godhead is inclusive.

101G.

Is "to all" that be at Rome mean...

a.) All those who live in Rome
b.) All those who are in Rome
c.) All called saints that live in Rome
d) All called saints that are in Rome

 

[101G]

There has to be a reason why you want to believe that Jesus is God.

because the scriptures say so? ... (smile). let see a good example of WHY 101G believes this. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
so my brother, is this not the SAME ONE PERSON? the First "WITH" the Last? yes or no. your answer please.
101G

 

[101G]

Is "to all" that be at Rome mean...

a.) All those who live in Rome
b.) All those who are in Rome
c.) All called saints that live in Rome
d) All called saints that are in Rome

if you live there then you're there, DEAD or ALIVE. now, are all in Rome called to be saints? no.... now read my post again and try again.... (smile).
101G.

 

[Peterlag]

because the scriptures say so? ... (smile). let see a good example of WHY 101G believes this. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
so my brother, is this not the SAME ONE PERSON? the First "WITH" the Last? yes or no. your answer please.
101G

The Scriptures have to make sense. They can't just make statements that make no sense. If the Scriptures say I can redeem myself. Then they don't make sense because the whole New Testament teaches the Christ redeemed us. So it has to make sense and it does not make sense to have Jesus be God.

 

[360watt]

The Scriptures have to make sense. They can't just make statements that make no sense. If the Scriptures say I can redeem myself. Then they don't make sense because the whole New Testament teaches the Christ redeemed us. So it has to make sense and it does not make sense to have Jesus be God.

If Jesus has redeemed you, He has power over your sin to forgive it. That's fully God power.

I could forgive you for personally offending me, but Jesus forgives those who haven't personally offended Him directly.

Jesus standard is the law of sin. Not just personal offence.

Who can have that standard but someone who is fully God

 

[civic]

If Jesus has redeemed you, He has power over your sin to forgive it. That's fully God power.

I could forgive you for personally offending me, but Jesus forgives those who haven't personally offended Him directly.

Jesus standard is the law of sin. Not just personal offence.

Who can have that standard but someone who is fully God

Amen

 

[Peterlag]

If Jesus has redeemed you, He has power over your sin to forgive it. That's fully God power.

I could forgive you for personally offending me, but Jesus forgives those who haven't personally offended Him directly.

Jesus standard is the law of sin. Not just personal offence.

Who can have that standard but someone who is fully God

Who comes up with these ideas that only God can forgive sin? Or that only God can redeem us? Who comes up with these concepts because the Bible says Jesus can forgive sins and the Bible says a man had to redeem us.

 

[101G]

The Scriptures have to make sense. They can't just make statements that make no sense. If the Scriptures say I can redeem myself. Then they don't make sense because the whole New Testament teaches the Christ redeemed us. So it has to make sense and it does not make sense to have Jesus be God.

ERROR. it's one thing you can count on is this. "there is a confirming elsewhere in the scriptures. as in the example 101G gave. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." Now the counter confirmation, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." look up what "ALSO" mean.

the same one person.

101G.

 

[TibiasDad]

I wrote a book on who is the resurrected Christ... https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

I wrote a book too on the Jehovah Witnesses version of Jesus!

So where does that leave us?

Doug

 

[Keiw1]

Keiw1, the only excuse you have is, "You are twisting that any gave the true God power". well the Lord Jesus is the TRUTH, meaning he is TRUE, and he is GOD. now supportive scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

this is the GREAT COMMISSION; you should have known this. the Lord Jesus who is God is "GIVEN" m.... POWER. because he is the ECHAD of himself in Glorified Flesh that was to come, which is his own IMAGE from Genesis 1:26 & 27. man this is too easy.

if you cannot answer with scripture, just don't answer ... ok, for 101G will not address anymore excuses, only scripture.

be blessed.

101G.

Keiw1, the only excuse you have is, "You are twisting that any gave the true God power". well the Lord Jesus is the TRUTH, meaning he is TRUE, and he is GOD. now supportive scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

this is the GREAT COMMISSION; you should have known this. the Lord Jesus who is God is "GIVEN" m.... POWER. because he is the ECHAD of himself in Glorified Flesh that was to come, which is his own IMAGE from Genesis 1:26 & 27. man this is too easy.

if you cannot answer with scripture, just don't answer ... ok, for 101G will not address anymore excuses, only scripture.

be blessed.

101G.

If Jesus were God he would have had all power and authority to begin with . One greater than him gave him those things=his Father.

 

[Peterlag]

I wrote a book too on the Jehovah Witnesses version of Jesus!

So where does that leave us?

Doug

It leaves us at reading my book if you want to learn more about the resurrected Christ and reading your book if you want to know more about the Jehovah Witnesses version of Jesus.

 

[Peterlag]

ERROR. it's one thing you can count on is this. "there is a confirming elsewhere in the scriptures. as in the example 101G gave. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." Now the counter confirmation, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." look up what "ALSO" mean.

the same one person.

101G.

God who is referred to as the Lord in the Old Testament is who Isaiah is writing about. What do you see?

 

[mikesw]

It leaves us at reading my book if you want to learn more about the resurrected Christ [from a weird perspective by a guy who claims to be a prophet] and reading your book if you want to know more about the Jehovah Witnesses version of Jesus.

I added the point between brackets. Has anyone looked at his book? He seems to have some alternative spirit informing him.

 

[TibiasDad]

I added the point between brackets. Has anyone looked at his book? He seems to have some alternative spirit informing him.

No, it is the Holy Spirit that leads me and informs me.

Doug

 

[101G]

If Jesus were God he would have had all power and authority to begin with . One greater than him gave him those things=his Father.

first thanks for the reply, A. he do, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" NEXT VERSE, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
No Reputation is the Greek term, G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

got it?

One greater than him gave him those things=his Father.

ERROR, did you not read? Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
do you understand "EQUAL WITH?".... if not ask.

101G.

 

[101G]

God who is referred to as the Lord in the Old Testament is who Isaiah is writing about. What do you see?

let the bible see that for all of US. scripture, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
ok Peterlag, who was sent? answer, the Lord Jesus, who is God the Lord, the Spirit. yes, the same one person. let's prove this out. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" he, he, he, sent his angel, who sent his angel. let the angel tell us. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
the Lord God of the holy prophet... right. the same Lord God in Isaiah 48:16. now let the Holy Scriptures tell us who the Lord God is. answer, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

did you get it? the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel, yes, the same one Lord God of Isaiah 48:16. now do you agree with the bible, yes or no?

101G.

 

[mikesw]

No, it is the Holy Spirit that leads me and informs me.

Doug

Sure. i am not suspecting you of any oddness here. The background points within Peterlag's posts have been odd, not just his opposition to the Triune nature of God.

 

[civic]

It leaves us at reading my book if you want to learn more about the resurrected Christ and reading your book if you want to know more about the Jehovah Witnesses version of Jesus.

Is Jesus in heaven right now with a glorified human body that still retains the crucifixion marks in His side, hands and feet ? yes or no

 

[TibiasDad]

Sure. i am not suspecting you of any oddness here. The background points within Peterlag's posts have been odd, not just his opposition to the Triune nature of God.

I have perused it a little bit, and it is very anti-trinitarian. It is also, from a writer and editor’s perspective very odd in its presentation and style. (Which is not necessarily a bad thing; it is just very unusual.)

Doug