Who is Jesus?

101G said:
first thanks for the reply, A. he do, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" NEXT VERSE, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
No Reputation is the Greek term, G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

got it?


ERROR, did you not read? Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
do you understand "EQUAL WITH?".... if not ask.

101G.
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Not all translations have that error of Phil 2:6 in your version.
 
101G said:
let the bible see that for all of US. scripture, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."
ok Peterlag, who was sent? answer, the Lord Jesus, who is God the Lord, the Spirit. yes, the same one person. let's prove this out. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" he, he, he, sent his angel, who sent his angel. let the angel tell us. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
the Lord God of the holy prophet... right. the same Lord God in Isaiah 48:16. now let the Holy Scriptures tell us who the Lord God is. answer, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

did you get it? the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel, yes, the same one Lord God of Isaiah 48:16. now do you agree with the bible, yes or no?

101G.
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“Now the Lord Yahweh has sent me.” The subject abruptly shifts here, which is not uncommon, and Cyrus answers God’s call. Isaiah himself had answered God’s call earlier (Isa. 6:8), and now Cyrus does. God sent Cyrus and Cyrus both obeyed the call and acknowledged the God of Israel (Ezra 1:2).

“and also sent His spirit.” It was well known that for prophets and kings to be successful they had to be empowered by God’s spirit, His gift of holy spirit. That was why God put his spirit upon the elders that were to rule Israel (Num. 11:17-29), why after David sinned he prayed that God would not take His holy spirit away (Ps. 51:11), and why Elisha asked for a double portion of God’s spirit to be upon him (2 Kings 2:9), and indeed, the Bible records that Elisha did almost twice as many miracles as Elijah. Cyrus, in typical fashion of one who does not take credit not due him, acknowledges here in Isaiah 48:16 that God sent him, but will not take full credit for his success but says that God also gave His spirit to Cyrus, which was the source of much of his success.
 
civic said:
Then you deny the most important doctrine of the Christian faith - the bodily Resurrection of Christ.
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The question required only one word for an answer. I could not have pick Yes because the Lord was not resurrected with a glorified human body. He was resurrected with a resurrected spiritual body.

Is Jesus in heaven right now with a glorified human body that still retains the crucifixion marks in His side, hands and feet ? yes or no
 
Peterlag said:
The question required only one word for an answer. I could not have pick Yes because the Lord was not resurrected with a glorified human body. He was resurrected with a resurrected spiritual body.

Is Jesus in heaven right now with a glorified human body that still retains the crucifixion marks in His side, hands and feet ? yes or no
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100% yes . Spiritual does not mean immaterial
 
Peterlag said:
“Now the Lord Yahweh has sent me.” The subject abruptly shifts here, which is not uncommon, and Cyrus answers God’s call. Isaiah himself had answered God’s call earlier (Isa. 6:8), and now Cyrus does. God sent Cyrus and Cyrus both obeyed the call and acknowledged the God of Israel (Ezra 1:2).

“and also sent His spirit.” It was well known that for prophets and kings to be successful they had to be empowered by God’s spirit, His gift of holy spirit. That was why God put his spirit upon the elders that were to rule Israel (Num. 11:17-29), why after David sinned he prayed that God would not take His holy spirit away (Ps. 51:11), and why Elisha asked for a double portion of God’s spirit to be upon him (2 Kings 2:9), and indeed, the Bible records that Elisha did almost twice as many miracles as Elijah. Cyrus, in typical fashion of one who does not take credit not due him, acknowledges here in Isaiah 48:16 that God sent him, but will not take full credit for his success but says that God also gave His spirit to Cyrus, which was the source of much of his success.
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Error, neither Cyrus nor Isaiah were at the beginning. listen carefully, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

so try again.

101G.
 
101G said:
Error, neither Cyrus nor Isaiah were at the beginning. listen carefully, Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

so try again.

101G.
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I do not need to try again because I'm starting to think that when the Bible speaks about the spirit that is referring to the spirit God places on certain people in the Old Testament or the spirit that all Christians have is what you think is God. So I can't help you.
 
Peterlag said:
I do not need to try again because I'm starting to think that when the Bible speaks about the spirit that is referring to the spirit God places on certain people in the Old Testament or the spirit that all Christians have is what you think is God. So I can't help you.
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ERROR, not in this verse, the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus in flesh, the ordinal Last. please know and understand the ECHAD in Spirit. the ordinal designations of God.

101G.
 
101G said:
ERROR, not in this verse, the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus in flesh, the ordinal Last. please know and understand the ECHAD in Spirit. the ordinal designations of God.

101G.
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We disagree on the trinity. I do not believe there's any such thing in the Bible. Only what the Catholics started hundreds of years later and they have never been right about anything.
 
Peterlag said:
We disagree on the trinity. I do not believe there's any such thing in the Bible. Only what the Catholics started hundreds of years later and they have never been right about anything.
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Catholics did not exist at the time of the Bible nor during the time of the Nicene Council. Your statements clash with history. Learn some history and then we can talk.
 
Peterlag said:
We disagree on the trinity. I do not believe there's any such thing in the Bible. Only what the Catholics started hundreds of years later and they have never been right about anything.
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first, 101G do not believe in any trinity, have you not been reading my posts? two, nor do 101G believe in anything where the Lord Jesus was the “Sheliah” of God, or the agent of God as many unitarian believe. none of that do 101G believes.

101G is a "diversified oneness" and that's biblical. and can and is found in scripture, both OT and NT.

we suggest you look back over 101G's replies and try to understand what and why101G believes and stands for.

1`01G.
 
civic said:
Defective Christology. Most Christian-based religions distort Christ by compromising His deity . . . . Jehovahs Witnesses teach that Jesus was a created being the archangel Michael prior to His human birth . . . . Mormons deny the virgin birth; Jehovahs Witnesses and Armstrongs Worldwide Church of God, the bodily resurrection


Defective Christology. Those who believe in an unbiblical Jesus will usually deny the true Deity of Christ, or the true humanity of Jesus. Some, such as Mormons, deny the virgin birth. They say that God the Father had sexual relations with Mary. I John 4:1-3 gives a scriptural litmus test for false teachers.

Among the most common feature of these religions is a defective view of Christ. Defective views of Christ are not new, they go back to the early days of the church. One of the apostle Paul's principal reasons for writing his letter to the Colossian Church was to combat an heretical view of Christ that was being taught there. During the second century the church had to battle against the heresy of Gnosticism, which denied the true humanity of Christ. In the fourth century the church battled against the Arian heresy which denied the true deity of Christ.

Most modern day non Christian religious systems follow in the footsteps of their predecessors. For example, the Jehovah's Witnesses are simply a modern version of the Arian heresy in the early church. Like the Arians of the fourth century, the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that the Son is co-eternal with the Father. Like the Arians, the Jehovah's Witnesses regard the Son as being created by the Father. Christian Science is another religion which has a defective view of Jesus Christ. They do not believe in the existence of matter - to them the material world is an illusion. So according to their teaching Jesus Christ did not have a real body. In this they repeat the same heresy of the Gnostics, who denied the real humanity of Christ. The Mormons also have a very defective view of Christ in that, they regard Jesus Christ the first-born among the spirit children of God. They do not believe that Jesus is the eternal Son of God. Rather they regard Him as the offspring of a mortal mother and an immortal father.


A Defective Christology

"Who is Jesus Christ?" This is the most important question a person can ever ask. Our deepest joys on earth and hope of eternal life rest upon our answer to that question. Because this is so, the primary activity of Satan must surely be to obscure as much as possible the true nature and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Satan knows that an improper or incomplete understanding of the person and work of Christ makes salvation impossible.

Early heresies such as Cerinthianism denied the humanity of Christ (John 1:14; 1 John 1:1-3; 4:1-3). Arianism denied the deity of Christ (John 1:1, 8:58). Others denied the union of his two natures in one person. Gnosticism taught that there were many spiritual levels and mediators between earth and heaven of which Jesus was merely one (Colossians 1:16, 2:3-23). Most non Christian religious systems today follow in one of these errors. The most insidious types which insist on extra-biblical revelations and esoteric and mystical experiences of God are simply the children of the Gnostics.

The central doctrine of Christianity is Christology, the doctrine of the nature of the person of Jesus Christ as revealed in space-time history. Any teaching that compromises the humanity or deity of Christ and His uniqueness as the only God-man, destroys the efficacy of the atonement, the work of Christ on the cross, and thereby the basis of the gospel.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No once comes to the Father but by me." (John 14:6). If Jesus was not fully God and fully human, he had no authority to say so. John 1:14 tells us that Jesus was "full of truth." In John 1:18 we are told that no one has ever seen God, but the unique Son "has made Him known." Anything after the words of Jesus Christ would be anticlimactical, a descent from the mountain top of revelation. Jesus was the only one qualified to reveal to humanity the truth about God. Jesus perfectly fulfilled that mission (John 17:6-8,14).

In the closing days of the earthly ministry of Christ, he took the Apostles aside to prepare them for His departure. The narrative in John 14:7-10 is very instructive in helping us to discern the error many cults make with regard to the sufficiency of Christ's revelation of God. To comfort His disciples Jesus reminds them that through Him, they now knew the Father and had seen Him. But Philip was not satisfied. He begs for one glimpse of the Father (John 14:8) believing this would suffice. He may have felt that they had not quite got as close as Moses who got to see the back of Almighty God. If only he could have a similar experience. But notice that Jesus was clearly distressed by Philip's request.

"Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:9)

Philip's search for something more, a deeper revelation of God than Jesus had given was an insult to Jesus, and received a rebuke. How could a vision of God be more thrilling than to talk with God's Son? In the words of Jesus Christ we have the full revelation of the Father's will. Everything Jesus had learned from the Father, He had made known to them, and through them to us (John 15:15, 16:12-15). To believe that the revelation of Christ in Scripture is insufficient is to hold a defective Christology.

It cannot be overstated that biblical doctrine, that is, what we understand about the way God has revealed Himself in history and supremely in Jesus Christ is of vital importance in perpetuating orthodox Christianity and withstanding heresy

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Hello @civic,

Reading your entry, I think of the words of John:-

'That which was from the beginning,
.. which we have heard,
.... which we have seen with our eyes,
...... which we have looked upon,
........ and our hands have handled,
.......... of the Word of life;
............ (For the life was manifested,
.............. and we have seen it,
................ and bear witness,
.................. and shew unto you that eternal life,
.................... which was with the Father,
...................... and was manifested unto us )
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,
that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father,
and with His Son Jesus Christ.
And these things write we unto you,
that your joy may be full.'
(1Jn 1:1-4)

What a testimony!
 
'For we have not followed cunningly devised fables,
when we made known unto you
the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
For He received from God the Father honour and glory,
when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory,
This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.
And this voice which came from heaven we heard,
when we were with Him in the holy mount.'
(2 Pet. 1:16-18)

Another living witness!
 
360watt said:
If Jesus is fully God, then we have a triune God...it's that simple
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'Beware lest any man spoil you
through philosophy
and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men,
after the rudiments of the world,
and not after Christ.
For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in Him,
Which is the head of all principality and power:'
(Col 2:8-10)

Hello @360watt,

Praise God!,That though our minds are not able to fully comprehend the Godhead, God knows and understands. It does not interfere with our worshipping Him, and being thankful for all that God, as Father, Son and Holy Spirit have done, and continue to do.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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