Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Runningman]

Jesus will return in the same way He left (Acts 1:11). So when He went from Earth to Heaven, He went with (not on) the clouds, and that is how He arrived in Heaven (Dan 7). When He returns, He will come back on (not with) the clouds (Matt 24). These are two different events. Both future to the people who wrote of them, but one of them is past to us today.

Not the same event. The placement of the sitting at the right hand of God is key to distinguishing the difference between Jesus being take up to heaven without clouds (Acts 1:9) and being taken to heaven and then obeying God's orders to sit at His right hand (Mark 16:19) So yeah the "coming on the clouds" only refers to Daniel 7 which is when Jesus returns. There is no other correlation between the prophecy of Daniel 7 and the future return of Christ. You're also mixing words "coming" and "going" which don't have the same sort of connotation to them.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus said he would be "coming" (to them) not "going" (away from them) on the clouds of heaven after he had already sat down at the right hand of God. Jesus being taken to heaven and coming on the clouds when he returns isn't the same event. See, Jesus quoted it at his trial. It's future.

Mark 14
62“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

See how easy it is to understand when we believe the words of Christ!!!

 

[Peterlag]

We cannot approach the Bible with wisdom and “reason together” if we must invent and use non-biblical phrases to support our theology. The Bible calls Jesus the “Son” of God for the simple reason that he had a beginning. Jesus had been part of God’s plan since the foundation of the world, but he began his actual life when God “fathered” him and Mary conceived him in her womb.

There are many verses where Jesus and God are portrayed as two separate beings and there are too many examples to list, but just to mention a few we can look at when Jesus told the rich young ruler that he was not good, but “God” was good. Also Jesus grew in favor with “God” and with men, and he told his disciples “Believe in God; believe also in me."

 

[Quintus5]

Jesus wasn’t denying He was good—He was asking the ruler to think deeper. If only God is good, and Jesus is good, then Jesus must be God. Also, as the God-man, He could grow in human experience while remaining divine. When He said “Believe in God, believe also in Me,” He put Himself on equal footing with God, something no mere man or prophet could rightly do.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus wasn’t denying He was good—He was asking the ruler to think deeper. If only God is good, and Jesus is good, then Jesus must be God. Also, as the God-man, He could grow in human experience while remaining divine. When He said “Believe in God, believe also in Me,” He put Himself on equal footing with God, something no mere man or prophet could rightly do.

Jesus couldn't have been any clearer that he was saying one can believe in God without believing in Jesus.