jeremiah1five
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That skewy wabbit!The above is what I feared and you did go down that rabbit hole.
I'm not superficial. My positions are well thought out and based on Scripture.I thought we were discussing the New Covenant.
The above would have to be cut down and answered at separate times due to the length.
I ran thru it quick, but there's just too much.
Jesus was the last Prophet under the Law. He is "a prophet like unto Moses" and born after John Baptist.John was the last OT prophet.
Jesus Christ has more titles than those three.Jesus was a Prophet, a King, and a Priest.
I don't know why we'd want to get into this.
What Scripture records is that beginning in the Garden God has invoked a plan to save a people from sin and as Scripture unveils itself, we see the plan of God revealed. This plan was contemplated in the Mind of God with the support of the Word and the Spirit. Each Person of the Trinity has a function towards God's goal of saving a people to Himself and He does it through covenant, even as that covenant in history traverses centuries and with many major individuals that play a key role in that plan of saving man. It begins with Abraham and his seed (offspring), with Isaac, Jacob, and Jacob's twelve sons, a people identified as the children of Jacob/Israel. Phase one is the Abraham Covenant. Phase two is the Mosaic Covenant. Phase three is sending God's own Son to fulfill the requirements of God's Righteousness - something mere man could not do - concluding with the life, death, and resurrection of a Substitutionary sacrifice made under the Law in order to save those under the Law in a fashion fit for Creator God. The whole of Hebrew history up to the first century AD has one people in view and the Hebrew Scripture records the history of this people singled out by God in order to save this preordained people whose end is to return to God from whence they were first contemplated. The bottom line is that God saves through covenant - something the rest of mankind does not have outside of the Hebrew people through Abraham.See my post no. 386.
I've come to understand that you don't believe Gentiles can be part of the New Covenant.
I'd like to go over scripture regarding this.
They are mixed heritage Hebrews. Covenant Israel is called in Scripture "sheep" and this "other sheep" can only be Abraham's seed mixed with Gentiles the same way mixed heritage Samaritans (called by Jews "Samaritan" and not seen as Jews by Jews), the same is also of mixed heritage Hebrews but of the two southern kingdom tribes that remained in Gentile lands and did not return with the remnant in 522 BC. From 522 BC to Jesus Christ in the first century AD the Jews called these mixed heritage Hebrews "Gentile" because they were so heavily influenced by Gentile and Greek culture that they were among those Christ called the LOST sheep of the House of Israel. These Hebrews of mixed heritage grew up as Gentiles and lost their Hebrew heritage through approximately 15-20 generations from 522 BC, even 722 BC when the northern kingdom tribes were conquered and assimilated into Assyrian and later, Babylonian culture and way of life. It was a major shift from living under the Mosaic Law of God to mingling with Gentiles and learning their ways, something God had always warned the children of Israel not to do. But their Diaspora was not short term (count the years and kings after Solomon died and his kingdom split.)For instance....also please answer this: (after post 386)
WHO were the other sheep Jesus had to tend to?
John 10:16
15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
Gentiles are called "goat" and it doesn't mean "Greatest Of All Time."
Jews didn't reject Messiah. Of ALL Hebrews alive including mixed heritage Hebrews who lived in Gentile lands the population in Jerusalem who were witness of the crucifixion were only in the thousands, maybe in the tens of thousands because of the increase of pilgrimages to the Holy Land for Passover, while Jews and mixed heritage Jews in Gentile lands were in the millions and were oblivious of what took place in Jerusalem.And who are the following?
Matthew 22:8-10
8 "Then he said to his slaves, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
9 'Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.'
10 "Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.
Those who were invited are the Jews who rejected the Messiah.
So who were those on the main highways?
Matthew 22:1-14 is difficult to interpret. It may not even refer to Israel because of certain terms out of place with what actually occurred in Israel and beyond. First, it's not talking about a crucifixion but a marriage and marriage supper. The biblical doctrine of salvation and qualified to be at the end of time marriage supper has Israel "locked in" to attend with no one lost. Nor does "outer darkness" refer to "hell" or the "Lake of Fire." The "evil and good" is problematic. In the Old Testament Israel is called a "great congregation" - and beside Israel being the Bride this son who is getting married is getting married to Israel for they will be present at their own marriage between the son and Israel, so the people that refuse to attend cannot be Israel. Israel will be there by covenant. And those in the byways and highways cannot be Gentiles for nowhere in the Old Testament are Gentiles having covenant with God if God is the father. There are too many inconsistencies in the text to refer to either Israel and/or Gentiles. I think it's merely a parable for parables' sake and has no significance to reality.
Biblically, Israel is called Bride (of God) in the Old Testament. Saul says, "ALL ISRAEL shall be saved," so the one without a garment cannot be any of the Bride (Israel) for at the biblical marriage supper Israel is there by covenant. I know of no Scripture that says Gentiles will be present at the marriage supper of Israel and the son.