Runningman
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There are no verses about a trinity god in scripture.
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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If you have a personal preference that scripture spell it out with the word "trinity" then you are right. If you mean the idea is not found there, that reflects your blindness.
Runningman
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If you don't have an argument to make to defend your beliefs using the Bible, then you're on the wrong path. Your religion isn't Scriptural. Do you want to know about true Christianity? It's the New Covenant that was given to the Jews and they call it Christianity. It isn't that it's a distinct religion from Judaism, but rather the development of Judaism via the introduction of the New Covenant and Jesus' permanent sin sacrifice. Yes, there is a permanent sin sacrifice, faith, and grace but there isn't a whole new idea about who God is. The only God according to the Old Testament is YHWH, there are no others and with the NT being written in Greek, there is not a Greek word for YHWH, but it's easy to find direct parallels between the Father and YHWH since the NT quotes in the OT where YHWH is mentioned as God and He being the Father in the NT. The Bible is explicit about who God is in no uncertain terms and it would be impossible to miss for anyone who has very basic reading comprehension.
You have missed all the verses that others have shared. I myself do not need to throw pearls to swine. There is not change of who God is but rather a clearer revealing of the Father and Son in the Godhead, and also the Spirit.
You have missed the essence of Christ and have not been solid on your reading comprehension based on the many errors I have pointed out in your thinking. You obviously have not overcome the obstacle verses posed by several people here. If you can convince people of your arguments, then you might have converts away from Christianity.
Runningman
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You "son in the godhead" is a baseless claim. Again, you have no verses to support that or pretty much anything about the trinity.
You certainly appear blind. You miss months of discussion. Even the Jewish interpreters encountered passages where the saw God talking to God. So you do not even know issues encountered among Jews when you deny evidence of the Trinity. It is not like you will be persuaded by discussion and logic. You just deny the obvious or cannot comprehend what scripture shows.
Runningman
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I gave you chances to make your case and you couldn't find anything about the trinity int he Bible. You've been exhaustively shown how God is one person in the Scripture. God is YHWH, also known as the Father and I guarantee I can prove it because the Bible directly says this. The matter isn't much what the Bible says anymore. I have proven the trinitarianism is not scriptural, but rather your continual engagement on this topic long after you've had all of your arguments put to rest. If you don't have anymore arguments to make, you shouldn't just keep talking. Have some class and know when you've lost or do you just need to have the last word?
Indeed you have exhausted your limited evidence against scriptures' revelation of the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. I have not tried to present the verses because others have sufficiently done that. You want to take it out of what the Bible says. I keep it to scripture instead of a unitarian misconception. You have been a one-verse unitarian who then interprets the rest of the scripture off one verse. That is why you are not convincing. I may continue reminding people of your failure to make a convincing argument. Remember that repeating your mantra verse does not allow you to promote its misinterpretation. Think of me as a mirror to show you how bad your interpretation looks.
Peterlag
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The Old Testament prophecies about the coming Messiah foretold that he would be a human being who would be the offspring of Eve (Genesis 3:15); a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 18:18; 22:18); a descendant of Judah (Genesis 49:10; a prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15); a son of David (2 Samuel 7:12-13; Isaiah 11:1); a king ruling under Yahweh(Psalm 110:1); and a ruler from among the people of Israel (Jeremiah30:21). That explains why the people were all expecting a human Messiah. Psalm 110:1 merits special attention because it's especially clear but has been misunderstood and misrepresented by most English versions that read “The LORD says to my Lord….” The word “LORD” is Yahweh, but many Trinitarian commentators argue that “my Lord” in this verse is the Hebrew word "adonai" that is another name for God, and that would provide proof of the divinity of the Messiah. But the Hebrew text does not use "adonai" but rather "adoni" which is always used in Scripture to describe human masters and lords, but never God.
The Old Testament refers to the Messiah as “one like a son of man” and the phrase “son of man” was a Semitic idiom for a human being and it's used that way throughout the Old Testament. The phrase “son of man” also became a title of the Messiah when Daniel referred to him as “one like a son of man” (Daniel 7:13) and that explains why Jesus called himself “the son of man” many times. The use of the “son of man” in reference to the Messiah is one more piece of evidence that Jesus was fully human and one more reason that people were expecting the Messiah to be human. The New Testament teaches Jesus was a man and Jesus himself said he was “a man who has told you the truth” John 8:40. Jesus was not being disingenuous and hiding his “divine nature” but rather was making a factual statement that reinforced what the Jews were expecting of the Messiah—that he would be a fully human man.
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The Old Testament refers to the Messiah as “one like a son of man” and the phrase “son of man” was a Semitic idiom for a human being and it's used that way throughout the Old Testament. The phrase “son of man” also became a title of the Messiah when Daniel referred to him as “one like a son of man” (Daniel 7:13) and that explains why Jesus called himself “the son of man” many times. The use of the “son of man” in reference to the Messiah is one more piece of evidence that Jesus was fully human and one more reason that people were expecting the Messiah to be human. The New Testament teaches Jesus was a man and Jesus himself said he was “a man who has told you the truth” John 8:40. Jesus was not being disingenuous and hiding his “divine nature” but rather was making a factual statement that reinforced what the Jews were expecting of the Messiah—that he would be a fully human man.
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Complete
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'And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.'
(Mat 12:32)
Runningman
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Ah, now you have turned into the gatekeeper of Biblical revelation apparently. Apparently biblical revelation is whatever you say it is and everything else the Bible directly and plainly says is hogwash unless Mike approves of it. Fortunately, you aren't in any position to be calling in shots in Jesus' church, nor imposing false gospels on people about "believing Jesus is in the Godhead" and other misc. nonsense. I also charge you with abusing the English language. You've been told repeatedly that divinity does not equal deity. You have continued to misrepresent the Bible and the best course of action is just keep impeding your advancement of heresy. So now that we are clear how it's going to be going forward, care to show us the "revelation" of your trinity from the Bible?
civic
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like I said none of those are the Father saying: I Am God.
another swing and a miss.
Peterlag
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I don't know anybody who understands the above verse nor do I understand your point.
Complete
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'God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners
.. spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
.... Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,
...... Whom He hath appointed heir of all things,
........ by Whom also He made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of His glory,
.. and the express image of His person,
.... and upholding all things by the word of His power,
...... when He had by Himself purged our sins,
........ sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Being made so much better than the angels,
.. as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
.... For unto which of the angels said He at any time,
...... "Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee?"
........ And again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?"
.......... And again, when He bringeth in The Firstbegotten into the world,
.............. He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."
................. And of the angels He saith,
.................... "Who maketh His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire."
...................... But unto the Son He saith,
........................ "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
.......................... a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
(Hebrews 1:1-8)
Praise God!
.. spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
.... Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,
...... Whom He hath appointed heir of all things,
........ by Whom also He made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of His glory,
.. and the express image of His person,
.... and upholding all things by the word of His power,
...... when He had by Himself purged our sins,
........ sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Being made so much better than the angels,
.. as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
.... For unto which of the angels said He at any time,
...... "Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten thee?"
........ And again, "I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?"
.......... And again, when He bringeth in The Firstbegotten into the world,
.............. He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."
................. And of the angels He saith,
.................... "Who maketh His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire."
...................... But unto the Son He saith,
........................ "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
.......................... a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
(Hebrews 1:1-8)
Praise God!
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Do you wish that I just say Christ is part of the Godhead instead of speaking of the divinity of Christ in the Godhead? You are complaining about semantics. But you are some sort of universalist adoptionist that downgrades the identity of Jesus as the Son of God with the same essence as the Father while you falsely claim that people achieve that godhood state.
I let others share the verses because I do not desire to go into debate where you simply deny the verses that speak of the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. You only pretend to your own satisfaction to have the advantage in debate.
Runningman
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YHWH said he is Father in Psalm 2:7. That doesn't qualify as YHWH being the Father to you?
civic
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nope He did not say that- God said today I have become your father- Not I'm the Father, YHWH.
another blunder.
Crystal clear passage supporting the deity of Christ. Thank you.
Runningman
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This reads like you don't believe the Bible is divinely inspired by those through whom God delivered the message. Jesus said God is the Father and everyone else did too. YHWH directly called Himself Father in Psalm 2:7 and Jeremiah 3:19. But you seem to want to play mental gymnastics and be as slippery as jelly at the same time. Just when I think I got hand on your argument, it slips through my fingers and reforms somewhere else. In debates, that's called "moving the goal posts" you hide behind obscurities and subjectivity like a true Bible lawyer. Case in point, your argument supports a trinity that is not explicitly stated in Scripture. You can argue here, but you won't be able to argue with God.
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