Thomas... My Lord and my God

[praise_yeshua]

Seems to be some kind of a parable for those who had no spirit and had to be spoken to in that way. The bottom line is it's about the spirit. The flesh profiteth nothing.

What about the Resurrection? Are you one of those Sadducees that deny the Resurrection?

 

[Runningman]

Huh? Jesus (who was God - John 1:1) has always existed. Your paganistic view of God has been exposed again.

Not according to John 1:14, Colossians 1:15, and Revelation 3:14 which all teach Jessus was created. Him be incarnated is not a point you could make with Scripture if your life depended on it because you don't have anything in the Bible that actually says what you do. However, I do have plenty of proof Jesus was created.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not according to John 1:14, Colossians 1:15, and Revelation 3:14 which all teach Jessus was created. Him be incarnated is not a point you could make with Scripture if your life depended on it because you don't have anything in the Bible that actually says what you do. However, I do have plenty of proof Jesus was created.

Public video debate that we can post for all to see you fail?

 

[Runningman]

Public video debate that we can post for all to see you fail?

You wouldn't get a single word in as I dominated the discussion.

 

[civic]

Not according to John 1:14, Colossians 1:15, and Revelation 3:14 which all teach Jessus was created. Him be incarnated is not a point you could make with Scripture if your life depended on it because you don't have anything in the Bible that actually says what you do. However, I do have plenty of proof Jesus was created.

Nope none of them have the Son being created but that they all teach He is the Creator who made all things and all things are held together by Him.

Here is a clue- only things YHWH/ God did and can do. The Son is God.

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[Runningman]

Nope none of them have the Son being created but that they all teach He is the Creator who made all things and all things are held together by Him.

Here is a clue- only things YHWH/ God did and can do. The Son is God.

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All of them directly speak of Jesus as being in the creation, not independent of the creation. And he's a human. So yeah he was created.

 

[civic]

All of them directly speak of Jesus as being in the creation, not independent of the creation. And he's a human. So yeah he was created.

nope its Him as the Creator of all things- something a man cannot do only God- And we know the Son is God and before all created things. He is Eternal just like the Father.

your own pet verse exposes your false claims in 1 Cor 8:6. All things in the passage is the creation account.

yet for us there is but one God, the Father
This phrase emphasizes the monotheistic belief central to Christian doctrine, distinguishing the Christian faith from the polytheistic practices prevalent in Corinth. The Father is recognized as the source of all creation, aligning with Old Testament affirmations of God's singularity (Deuteronomy 6:4). This underscores the intimate relationship believers have with God, who is not a distant deity but a personal Father.

from whom all things came
This highlights God's role as the Creator, echoing Genesis 1:1, where God is the origin of the universe. It affirms the belief that everything in existence is a result of God's creative power, reinforcing His sovereignty and authority over all creation. This also serves as a reminder of God's providence and the order He established in the world.

and for whom we exist
This phrase speaks to the purpose of human life, which is to glorify and serve God. It reflects the teaching found in Isaiah 43:7, where God declares that He created people for His glory. This purpose provides meaning and direction for believers, emphasizing that their lives are to be lived in devotion to God.

And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ
Here, the focus shifts to the centrality of Jesus Christ in Christian faith. The term "Lord" signifies authority and divinity, affirming Jesus' role as the Messiah and His equality with God the Father. This is consistent with Philippians 2:11, where every tongue confesses Jesus Christ as Lord. It also reflects the early Christian confession of faith and distinguishes Jesus from other so-called lords or deities.

through whom all things came
This phrase attributes the act of creation to Jesus, aligning with John 1:3, which states that all things were made through Him. It affirms the pre-existence of Christ and His active participation in creation, highlighting the unity and cooperation within the Trinity. This counters any notion that Jesus is a created being, instead affirming His divine nature.

and through whom we exist
This emphasizes the sustaining power of Christ in the lives of believers. Colossians 1:17 states that in Him all things hold together, indicating that Jesus is not only the agent of creation but also the one who maintains the existence of all things. For believers, this means that their spiritual life and salvation are dependent on Christ, reinforcing the necessity of a personal relationship with Him.

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hope this helps !!!

 

[synergy]

Not according to John 1:14, Colossians 1:15, and Revelation 3:14 which all teach Jessus was created. Him be incarnated is not a point you could make with Scripture if your life depended on it because you don't have anything in the Bible that actually says what you do. However, I do have plenty of proof Jesus was created.

Let's see.

1. You ran away from John 1:1 like it did not even exist after I made a case for it,
2. You don't even quote anything from Col 1:15 or Rev 3:14 to make your case, expecting us to take your heretical word for it,
3. You echo the blasphemous words of Arius, your idol.

Side Note: Did you know that Saint Nicholas slapped Arius silly at the Council of Nicea?

 

[civic]

Let's see.

1. You ran away from John 1:1 like it did not even exist after I made a case for it,
2. You don't even quote anything from Col 1:15 or Rev 3:14 to make your case, expecting us to take your heretical word for it,
3. You echo the blasphemous words of Arius, your idol.

Side Note: Did you know that Saint Nicholas slapped Arius silly at the Council of Nicea?

all he has is EISEGESIS hence ignoring the actual text.

 

[Peterlag]

What about the Resurrection? Are you one of those Sadducees that deny the Resurrection?

What are we talking about? Are we Catholics who really think we eat the flesh and drink his blood?

 

[synergy]

all he has is EISEGESIS hence ignoring the actual text.

He expects us take his heretical, judaizing, hallucinating, discord sowing, paganistic, etc.. word for it.

 

[civic]

What are we talking about? Are we Catholics who really think we eat the flesh and drink his blood?

Is Jesus right now in heaven with a real, tangible human body ?

The same one the disciples saw and touched after His Resurrection on the 3rd day ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You wouldn't get a single word in as I dominated the discussion.

Why not see? You Unitarians avoid Trinitarians like the plague. I was in a live session with 6 Unitarians the other day and all of them refused to discuss anything with Trinitarians. You can yell and rant all you want. Won't bother me at all. It is easy to show how Unitarians hate Christ.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What are we talking about? Are we Catholics who really think we eat the flesh and drink his blood?

You avoided what I posted by claiming the flesh doesn't profit at all. I know you don't mind criticizing Jesus. Keep it up. You're just adding to your damnation.

The truth doesn't just save, it damns the children of Satan.

It is important that you listen to Jesus.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is Jesus right now in heaven with a real, tangible human body ?

The same one the disciples saw and touched after His Resurrection on the 3rd day ?

Yep. That same Jesus that he can't do anything without.

 

[Runningman]

nope its Him as the Creator of all things- something a man cannot do only God- And we know the Son is God and before all created things. He is Eternal just like the Father.

your own pet verse exposes your false claims in 1 Cor 8:6. All things in the passage is the creation account.

yet for us there is but one God, the Father
This phrase emphasizes the monotheistic belief central to Christian doctrine, distinguishing the Christian faith from the polytheistic practices prevalent in Corinth. The Father is recognized as the source of all creation, aligning with Old Testament affirmations of God's singularity (Deuteronomy 6:4). This underscores the intimate relationship believers have with God, who is not a distant deity but a personal Father.

from whom all things came
This highlights God's role as the Creator, echoing Genesis 1:1, where God is the origin of the universe. It affirms the belief that everything in existence is a result of God's creative power, reinforcing His sovereignty and authority over all creation. This also serves as a reminder of God's providence and the order He established in the world.

and for whom we exist
This phrase speaks to the purpose of human life, which is to glorify and serve God. It reflects the teaching found in Isaiah 43:7, where God declares that He created people for His glory. This purpose provides meaning and direction for believers, emphasizing that their lives are to be lived in devotion to God.

And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ
Here, the focus shifts to the centrality of Jesus Christ in Christian faith. The term "Lord" signifies authority and divinity, affirming Jesus' role as the Messiah and His equality with God the Father. This is consistent with Philippians 2:11, where every tongue confesses Jesus Christ as Lord. It also reflects the early Christian confession of faith and distinguishes Jesus from other so-called lords or deities.

through whom all things came
This phrase attributes the act of creation to Jesus, aligning with John 1:3, which states that all things were made through Him. It affirms the pre-existence of Christ and His active participation in creation, highlighting the unity and cooperation within the Trinity. This counters any notion that Jesus is a created being, instead affirming His divine nature.

and through whom we exist
This emphasizes the sustaining power of Christ in the lives of believers. Colossians 1:17 states that in Him all things hold together, indicating that Jesus is not only the agent of creation but also the one who maintains the existence of all things. For believers, this means that their spiritual life and salvation are dependent on Christ, reinforcing the necessity of a personal relationship with Him.

next fallacy

hope this helps !!!

Proof Jesus was created because in your hypostatic union, someone made the boo boo of not allowing the man to be separate from the god. Jesus is a god man forever. Provided that Jesus is a human, he's made of the same created matter like everyone else.

John 1
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Colossians 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Revelation 3
14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

 

[Runningman]

Why not see? You Unitarians avoid Trinitarians like the plague. I was in a live session with 6 Unitarians the other day and all of them refused to discuss anything with Trinitarians. You can yell and rant all you want. Won't bother me at all. It is easy to show how Unitarians hate Christ.

You're fantasizing. Six Unitarians did not avoid you like the plague because you're a Trinitarian. I have never heard of a Unitarian who was at all intimidated by a debate with a Trinitarian. If I had to pick who I think the easiest debate opponent then it's for sure the Trinitarians. The one I would want to debate the least would be a strong Unitarian and second would be diversified Oneness types. Why diversified Oneness? Because they just change the rules as they go and have an excuse for everything. It's very flexible. Trinitarianism on the other hand is very ridgid and has rules that can't be broke or contradicted without train wrecking the entire theology. So 1 minute tops at the beginning of the debate to debunk your religion.

 

[civic]

Proof Jesus was created because in your hypostatic union, someone made the boo boo of not allowing the man to be separate from the god. Jesus is a god man forever. Provided that Jesus is a human, he's made of the same created matter like everyone else.

John 1
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Colossians 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Revelation 3
14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Clueless

 

[Peterlag]

You avoided what I posted by claiming the flesh doesn't profit at all. I know you don't mind criticizing Jesus. Keep it up. You're just adding to your damnation.

The truth doesn't just save, it damns the children of Satan.

It is important that you listen to Jesus.

Avoided? I thought I was thanking you for that great verse. Now if you don't want to play nice. Then state your point from the post that you think I avoided and we can both be mean and cruel together.

 

[Peterlag]

Is Jesus right now in heaven with a real, tangible human body ?

The same one the disciples saw and touched after His Resurrection on the 3rd day ?

I think so. I write it this way...

"Yes, it's true we will have a spiritual body that Christ gives at his return that will be like his resurrected body that is unlimited in scope and activity. Talk about the limitlessness of life! It's almost breathtaking as we look at the limitless possibilities of that new life. What a fantastic, thrilling, and exciting life this will be.

The spiritual body is a body belonging to the spiritual realm that will be influenced by or proceeding from what is spiritual. How glorious and awesome that is! How magnificent and unlimited in scope and activity that new body will be. We shall be LIKE HIM with a body that will be spirit eternal, vivacious, and remarkable. Just think how incredible our physical senses will be at that time, unaffected by a contaminated bloodstream, and completely laced with and based upon a life-quickening spirit."

Stephen full of Faith and Power (2000), p. 2 https://walking-by-the-spirit.com