Thomas... My Lord and my God

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Great post T !
I never really noticed this.
Thanks!

many claim to BELIEVE GOD .
but do they .
For had they BELIEVED GOD would they not have BELIEVED HIS TESTIMONY .
HIS OWN TESTIMONY .
NOW i want to take us all back to the garden and i am gonna show us , or i should say Remind us of something ,
NOTICE GOD had warned them NOT to eat of the tree , for in the day ye do YE DIE .
Along cometh the serpent . and uses a partial truth to get them to beleive a lie .
LIE . nay nay ye shall not surely die , a truth , for in the day ye eat thereof your eyes shall be opened and ye shall
be as gods ..........................
Question . DID they become as gods to know ...............YES THEY DID cause EVEN GOD said THEY have become as us
BUT here is the real question , DID THEY DIE . YES THEY DID . and death has come upon all ever since for that all have sinned .
NOW lets foreward this to today .
FIRST DID JESUS warn them that if THEY BELEIVED NOT they would DIE IN THEIR SINS .
DID HE NOT warn them IT WILL BE WORSE FOR YOU than ever it was for sodom . YES .
CAN JESUS LIE . NO SIR . IF JESUS SAID IT , WELL I MUST BE HONEST , GOD SAID IT .
SO lets forward to todays lovey the dooey
WHICH DOES exactly what the serpent doeth .
HAS GOD , HAS CHRIST really said YE MUST BELIEVE .
and the woman , aka the church says , WELL YES and HE said if we believe not we will surely persih .
NAY NAY sayeth the lovey DO , A LIE , GOD IS LOVE , A TRUTH . but using the truth that GOD IS LOVE
to make them believe that because HE is love THEY WONT PERISH no matter what they beleived .
HE IS SLICK SISTER . and many sure seem to treat JESUS as the liar and the serpent as the truth teller .
WE HAVE A SERIOUS delusoin going on RIGHT NOW

 

[synergy]

You say I'm weak in the Scriptures because the word "he" is not in the Bible and that makes you correct. What should I do with the following 29 translations that have the word "he" ...

New International Version
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

English Standard Version
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

Berean Standard Bible
That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

King James Bible
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

New King James Version
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

NASB 1995
“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

NASB 1977
“I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.”

Legacy Standard Bible
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Christian Standard Bible
Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."”

American Standard Version
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

English Revised Version
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Majority Standard Bible
That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.?

NET Bible
Thus I told you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins."

New Heart English Bible
I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins."

Webster's Bible Translation
I said therefore to you, that ye will die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye will die in your sins.

Weymouth New Testament
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins; for, unless you believe that I am He, that is what will happen."

World English Bible
I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

Young's Literal Translation
I said, therefore, to you, that ye shall die in your sins, for if ye may not believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.'

Douay-Rheims Bible
Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin.

New Revised Standard Version
I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he.”

Lamsa Bible
I told you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.

Anderson New Testament
Therefore said I to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am, He, you shall die in your sins.

Godbey New Testament
Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you may not believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.

Weymouth New Testament
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins; for, unless you believe that I am He, that is what will happen."

Worrell New Testament
I said, therefore, to you, that ye will die in your sins; for, unless ye believe that I am He, ye will die in your sins."

Worsley New Testament
Therefore I said unto you, that ye shall die in your sins; for if ye believe not that I am the Messiah, ye shall die in your sins.

I suggest that all unitarian groups be disbanded as they are all based on false beliefs.

 

[GodsGrace]

Peterlag's posts are proving to be a barrage cut-and-paste responses without any further discussion. It is not a blasphemous claim of being a messiah if he is only a man. (Nor do we hear of blasphemy accusations made by priests of the later people claiming to be the messiah. Those guys were welcomed and esteemed.) It is interesting that the high priest and others knew this identification of the Messiah was to be God's son in a divine sense (to clarify to those of a unitarian heresy). It would be a mystery to them how this is possible. Jesus has said earlier that people do not know from where he came. That essentially would make sense only that he was with God and descended into birth as Jesus.

Correct...agreed on all.
Being the Messiah would not have been blasphemy.
And of course the Son would have to be divine....
if a human has a son...the son is human.
If God has a Son...the Son is God.

By that I don't mean that the Son had a beginning.
He was with God and He was God...John 1.
He was the WORD.
And the WORD became flesh....John 1:14

We can discuss the Godhead/Trinity all we want to...
it really can't be clearer than that!

I just fail to understand how a person calls themselves a Christian
but do not believe Jesus is God.

 

[GodsGrace]

The key to knowing whether one speaks truth and what one recieves is truth
IS this . DO IT in any way CONTRADICT what is written . NOW IF IT DO , ITS A LIE .
Man i see all over the scrips words like BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM .
My LORD and MY GOD said a thomas on his knees .
I SEE words like I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , the first and the last .
THEN I SEE MANY MEN WHO DENY THESE WORDS and twist them to fit A FAT LIE which makes VOID these sayings .
YOU wanna know what i call that , A DELUSION . a work of men under the guise of darkness .
But let me , allow me to remind us all of something massive in this last hours .
YE have heard men say LET US FIND COMMON GROUND with all religoins .
And yet i have to ask us all this question . what communion has light with darkness , Christ with belial .
DOES LIGHT FIND COMMON GROUND WITH DARKNESS , OR , AND THIS IS A BIG OL OR
OR DOES IT EXPOSE DARKNESS . exactly . IT EXPOSES darkness it dont try and find out what it has in common WITH DARKNESS .
WE BEEN LIED TOO . ITS ALL A SHAM . ITS ALL A DECEPTOIN to rather merge the decieved WITH the decieved
and to make all believe we serve the same GOD . Ever get the feeling
that satan can appear as an angel of light and that his own ministirs can wear wool
and yet be naught but DECIEVERS who use the word love in order to recreate another image of what it calls GOD
that ALL RELIGOINS WILL BELIEVE IS GOD . cause I SURE DO . that which is of anti christ
the falling away ,the mystery of inquity GROWS MASSIVE only more and more think its LOVE , LOVING and OF GOD .
THAT THERE is known as A DELUSION .

You know T....
I even believe that if a person cannot understand the Godhead/Trinity (Godhead is in the bible)
I can even understand it.
However, I CANNOT understand how they want to call themselves a Christian.
A Christian MUST believe Jesus is God.
They're fighting against their own "religion"!
They don't even accept what their religion/faith teaches.

 

[GodsGrace]

We gots to hit the trenches dear friend . A Lie has been sent to gather all of the decieved
all who truly rejected the love of the truth .
This version of love is something the carnal mind WILL RELATE TOO , IT WILL ACCEPT TO BE AS TRUE .
But we must remember THAT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING JESUS SAID IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH .
WE must realize That IF JESUS SAID IT , GOD SAID IT . that JESUS , unlike man , CANNOT AND DIDNOT LIE .
Look at how dire he warned those who had failed to repent to believe on HIM .
GOOD HEAVENS HE SAID IT WILL BE WORSE FOR YOU THAN EVER IT WAS FOR SODOM .
todays lovey do says , OH it matters not , it matters not if one believes , OH JUDGE NOT , JUDGE NOT you haters
there are good people in all religoins serving God in they own way . WHAT A CROCK OF DUNG .
JESUS HIMSELF said IF THEY BELEIVED NOT they would perish , DIE IN THEIR SINS . WORSE FOR YOU than ever
it was for sodom .
NO WONDER paul said if under the law by two or three witnesses a man could be put to DEATH ,
HOW MUCH WORSE , HOW MUCH SORER a punishment for those who trod CHRIST under foot .
WE BEING LIED TOO . yet many seem to love this lie , this lie they hold too that not only accepts certain sins
IT LAUGHS IN THE FACE OF GOD HIMSELF as it hollers , NO NEED TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST JESUS
we can LOVEY DO OUR WAY . i am telling us A strong delusoin of all out reprobation
has been unleashed and that more and more by the day and by the hour are buying the LIE .
MANY HAVE SOLD THE TRUTH for a lie .

We're already in the trenches T.
Does it do any good?
Maybe....there are many that just read along and never post.
I guess we should do this for them....

 

[GodsGrace]

I suggest that all unitarian groups be disbanded as they are all based on false beliefs.

You know whether it says I AM or I AM HE, it really means the same.
And I've been thinking, lately, that Christianity is already defined...
I don't think we should be REDEFINING it !

If a person can't believe the tenets of a "religion"...
maybe they shouldn't be of that "religion".

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

We're already in the trenches T.
Does it do any good?
Maybe....there are many that just read along and never post.
I guess we should do this for them....

OH it always does good my dear friend . Just not unto those who REJECT THE TRUTH .
And YES there are some who do read along and never post .
Allow me to tell you a true story .
There once lived a man who was always going about speaking truth , correcting and etc .
After many years of doing this
he was feeling the exact what you might be feeling .
This man was so sad and heavy that one night
he came onto a site and said he didnt beleive he had ever helped anyone
that no one was hearing the truth .
TILL a certain person , WHO THAT MAN never knew was doing this ,
said THAT IS NOT TRUE at all brother , YOUR POSTS GREATLY HELPED PULL ME OUT
of deceptoins . WE NEVER KNOW dear sister . since then that man has charged onwards in the trenches .
WE NEVER KNOW who is being affected , who is watching and yet not responding .
Most all we ever see are those who resist and attack . BUT I TELL US ALL
STAY THE COURSE do not grow weary and in all things we do LET IT HONOR THE GLORIOUS LORD .
That my dear sister IS A TRUE STORY i just wrote to you . I actually happen to know that very man i wrote about .

 

[Peterlag]

I suggest that all unitarian groups be disbanded as they are all based on false beliefs.

The Worsley New Testament translation of John 8:24 is awesome...

Worsley New Testament
Therefore I said unto you, that ye shall die in your sins; for if ye believe not that I am the Messiah, ye shall die in your sins.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

You know whether it says I AM or I AM HE, it really means the same.
And I've been thinking, lately, that Christianity is already defined...
I don't think we should be REDEFINING it !

If a person can't believe the tenets of a "religion"...
maybe they shouldn't be of that "religion".

my question , my reminder i should say , is THIS
if a person claims to be a christain and yet BELEIVES NOT even the words OF CHRIST
are they really a christain . that is a real scary thought i must admit .
BUT what DID JESUS come to TESTIFY of
THE TRUTH . yet why is it so many hear not THE TRUTH when even JESUS said
those who are OF THE TRUTH HEAR MY VOICE . something has went dead wrong .
As with the jews of old i am afraid it too has come upon christendom .
THIS PEOPLES ARE LIP ONLY but the heart be FAR FROM HIM
and they teach the precepts of men as though they the DOCTRINE OF GOD . its not looking good sister .
BUT let us never give up , CONTINUE to expound , continue to speak to write and to live THE TRUTH by the POWER
of THE SPIRIT that indwells the sheep . ITS gonna get even worse sister and fast too .
WE must stand firm , we must stand firm sister . Remember JESUS IS , GOD IS , with the sheep .

 

[Peterlag]

Peter feel free to ask folks , i dont use the word trinity . I use the true word God head .
But if you THINK GOD IS NOT HIS WORD , HE is not HIS SPIRIT
that in fact YOU call JESUS a liar when HE says I am alpha and omega . FRIEND i do SHUDDER IN FEAR FOR YOU .
Now the truth is i do understand that this can be hard to be understood .
I know that .
BUT WHAT I DO ASK IS REAL SIMPLE . MAN it its written in the bible , DO NOT TRY and omit it ,change it , twist it .
Just beleive what is written , EVEN IF you do not understand it .
OH and remember interfaith all inclusive co exist finding common ground bridge builder seeker friendly
IS ALL of anti christ to lead all within christendom to the lie . I MEAN heck the false religoins arleady BELIEVE THE LIE .
THEY DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS TO BE THE SON OF GOD TO BE CHRIST .
But mark my words , ANYONE who is in any way a co helper to that which is of anti christ
IS OF THAT DARK SPIRIT no matter if they cliam they beleive JESUS to be THE CHRIST .
I mean can you imagine paul standing on stage
telling all satans religoins , like buddism , muslim , hinduism and etc
HEY BUDDIES WE ALL SERVING THE SAME GOD . Our truth is not better than yours. THAT BE OF ANTI CHRIST
though i must admit MANY cloaked in wool sure use HIS NAME to promote anti christ fake sorry dung pile love .
SURE HOPE you aint a part of that . IF you trying to find common ground , FRIEND YOU ALREADY ARE
because i can assure you that LIGHT does not try and find common ground with darkness
IT RATHERS EXPOSES IT . SO MUCH FOR FALSE LOVEY DO BIG OL BROAD ROAD DUNG this church age is buying and selling .

A study of the history of the Christian Church shows a definite development in the doctrine of the Trinity over the centuries. For example, the early form of the Apostles Creed (believed to date back to shortly after the time of the apostles themselves) does not mention the Trinity or the dual nature of Christ. The Nicene Creed that was written in 325 AD and modified later added the material about Jesus Christ being “eternally begotten” and the "true God” and about the Holy Spirit being “Lord.” But it was the Athanasian Creed that was most likely composed in the latter part of the 4th century or possibly even as early as the 5th century that was the first creed to explicitly state the doctrine of the Trinity.

It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[Peterlag]

Are you copying and pasting?
I do believe this was your previous answer.

So....
The Pharisees thought Jesus was a madman?
OK
Why did they want to kill Him? A mere crazy person.

In Mark 14 the question was NOT ...."ARE YOU THE MESSIAH".

The question was " ARE YOU THE CHRIST....THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD."

Christ means Messaiah.
OK.

But it does NOT mean SON OF THE LIVING GOD.

And why would the High Priest tear his clothes because Jesus claimed to be the Messiah?
Were the Jews not WAITING FOR THE MESSIAH??
NO...the High Priest tore his clothes because JESUS SAID HE WAS GOD...
THIS WAS THE BLASPHEME uttered by Jesus.

Your reply is null and void.

I copy and paste from my own website. Should I hand write it every time I post it again? I often post the same data because folks post the same trinity data.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

A study of the history of the Christian Church shows a definite development in the doctrine of the Trinity over the centuries. For example, the early form of the Apostles Creed (believed to date back to shortly after the time of the apostles themselves) does not mention the Trinity or the dual nature of Christ. The Nicene Creed that was written in 325 AD and modified later added the material about Jesus Christ being “eternally begotten” and the "true God” and about the Holy Spirit being “Lord.” But it was the Athanasian Creed that was most likely composed in the latter part of the 4th century or possibly even as early as the 5th century that was the first creed to explicitly state the doctrine of the Trinity.

It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.

as i said i am far more interested as this point in the direction you are headed .
Peter lag tell me what do you think about this co exist , finding common ground , interfaith stuff
that both TRUMP and vance , that EVEN the very popes have been bringing us all right into .
HOW do you view trumps interfaith . Do you see it as a good thing that can possibly bring peace unto the world and middle east
OR DO YASEE it for the ANTI CHRIST working of inquity IT TRULY IS . please first answer this .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

A study of the history of the Christian Church shows a definite development in the doctrine of the Trinity over the centuries. For example, the early form of the Apostles Creed (believed to date back to shortly after the time of the apostles themselves) does not mention the Trinity or the dual nature of Christ. The Nicene Creed that was written in 325 AD and modified later added the material about Jesus Christ being “eternally begotten” and the "true God” and about the Holy Spirit being “Lord.” But it was the Athanasian Creed that was most likely composed in the latter part of the 4th century or possibly even as early as the 5th century that was the first creed to explicitly state the doctrine of the Trinity.

It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.

rather odd my friend . i happen to know John , who was born a jew , sure seemed to understand
that GOD WAS THE WORD and that the WORD did become flesh
John , who was a jew said there are three that bear record .
JOHN who was a jew
was given a revelation in which HE HEARD JESUS HIMSELF say I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , first and the last .
THOMAS who was a jew , sure seemed to kneel before HIM and say MY LORD and MY GOD .
Paul who was a jew sure seemed to use See and know that GOD was HIS WORD , HE IS HIS SPIRIT
as he mentions the SPIRIT OF GOD
the SPIRIT of CHRIST .
SEEMS to me like the TRUE JEWS KNEW THINGS that todays churches SURE DONT . just SAYING .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

You know whether it says I AM or I AM HE, it really means the same.
And I've been thinking, lately, that Christianity is already defined...
I don't think we should be REDEFINING it !

If a person can't believe the tenets of a "religion"...
maybe they shouldn't be of that "religion".

Soon they will all run to a religoin , a religoin they will not even see as religoin
BUT IT BE A FALSE RELIGOIN .
ITs tenants will be SO LONG AS WE LOVE WE KNOW GOD . but beware its version of love and its version of GOD
seeing that both its love and its god sure wont be PREACHING THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS CHRIST
is THE SON OF GOD and seeing its love sure will call evil what God calls good and call good what GOD has called evil
as IT Honors certain politically correct sins and even HONORS UNBELIEF IN CHRIST . sadly sister
this will be what unites them all to have common ground . ONLY it wont be UNDER GOD , HIS LOVE , HIS CHRIST .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

ITs is but a delusion , A STRONG ONE that has come to unite THE DECIEVED within christendom with the DECIEVED .religoins of earth .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

and they will all run to its light believing it is LIGHT but never knowing it is but darkness portraying itself as light .
They will run to its love but never knowing it was hate and corrected none and left them in sin and unbeleif .
They will run by troops and gather as flocks to the promise of its love solution
that the decieved will beleive will usher them in peace n safety in this world .
And they will not know , they will not see , this was a delusion that led them to
one event . THEIR OWN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION . for though they cried love , IT WAS NOT THE LOVE OF GOD
and though they cried peace , IT was not the peace of GOD , for had it been the peace of GOD
they had PREACHED THE GOSPEL OF GOD that does reconcile man to GOD .
A STRONG and MIGHTY delusion of all out reprobation has been delivered . and many head into it
believing its an awaking , believing it is the love of God when in truth
its the devil doing all to KEEP THEM DAMNED so as they all can suffer with him IN PERIDTION .

 

[Doug Brents]

Like I said before many folks go into the book of Revelation thinking verses like the following means Jesus is God. And again this is because they don't understand the book or who it is addressed to...

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God.” These words apply to God, not to Christ. The one, “who is, and who was and who is to come” is clearly identified in the context as God, not Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:4-5 reads: “Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.” The separation between “the one who is, was and is to come” and Jesus Christ can be clearly seen. The one “who is, and who was and who is to come” is God.

The phrase “the Alpha and the Omega,” has caused many people to believe this verse refers to Christ. However, study of the occurrences of the phrase indicates that the title “Alpha and Omega” applies solely to God. Scholars are not completely sure what the phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” means. Lenski concludes, “It is fruitless to search Jewish and pagan literature for the source of something that resembles this name Alpha and Omega. Nowhere is a person, to say nothing of a divine Person, called ‘Alpha and Omega,’ or in Hebrew, Aleph and Tau.

Although there is no evidence from the historical sources that anyone is named “the Alpha and Omega,” Bullinger says that the phrase “is a Hebraism, in common use among the ancient Jewish Commentators to designate the whole of anything from the beginning to the end; e.g., ‘Adam transgressed the whole law from Aleph to Tau’ (Jalk. Reub., fol. 17.4). That would make the expression the figure of speech, polarmerismos, similar to "and there was evening, and there was morning” which stands for the whole day, in Genesis 1. The best scholarly minds have concluded that the phrase has something to do with starting and finishing something, or the entirety of something. Norton writes that these words, “denote the certain accomplishment of his purposes; that what he has begun he will carry on to its consummation."

First you say that you don't read or study Revelation, and then you try to come across as the expert in it.
You are correct that the phrase in verse 4-5 is about the Father. But the phrase in verse 17 is the Son saying that He is also the first and last. You can refuse to accept the truth all day long, but that doesn't change the truth. It is still truth whether you believe it or not: Jesus is God.

Repeating the same post over and over again does not change the lie that it is.

 

[Runningman]

Peterlag's posts are proving to be a barrage cut-and-paste responses without any further discussion. It is not a blasphemous claim of being a messiah if he is only a man. (Nor do we hear of blasphemy accusations made by priests of the later people claiming to be the messiah. Those guys were welcomed and esteemed.) It is interesting that the high priest and others knew this identification of the Messiah was to be God's son in a divine sense (to clarify to those of a unitarian heresy). It would be a mystery to them how this is possible. Jesus has said earlier that people do not know from where he came. That essentially would make sense only that he was with God and descended into birth as Jesus.

Messiah or christ fundamentally means the anointed. There is no one else anointed in Scripture? Fun fact, many are called messiah or christ in Scripture. Did you know that or are you just intentionally misrepresenting Scripture?

 

[Runningman]

First you say that you don't read or study Revelation, and then you try to come across as the expert in it.
You are correct that the phrase in verse 4-5 is about the Father. But the phrase in verse 17 is the Son saying that He is also the first and last. You can refuse to accept the truth all day long, but that doesn't change the truth. It is still truth whether you believe it or not: Jesus is God.

Repeating the same post over and over again does not change the lie that it is.

Revelation 1:4-8 is about someone other than Jesus being God Almighty, of course that is the Father. The title "first and last" is a title to refer to class, a position that some Trinitarian commentators hold, too, by the way, because God and Jesus aren't in the same class; Jesus is not inherently immortal, but was instead a man who was given life and resurrected. The reason some have already adopted this position is because it's problematic that the first and last died if the first and last is an exclusive title of God. It would debunk the Trinity, otherwise, and it does.

 

[Doug Brents]

Oh ok, how does one have the Spirit of God in them according to God and Scripture?

One receives the indwelling of the Spirit of God when they are baptized into Christ and receive forgiveness of sin and adoption as a child of God.

You have described Jesus as someone who is a human, who needed to develop physically, mentally, spiritually, just like everyone else. Jesus had to build repertoire with God because he didn't inherently have status with God nor inherently share in His divine qualities.

Luke 2
52And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

You're describing a Jesus who is completely divorced from his human. Didn't you know that the Son of God is a human?

He is both human and God. He emptied Himself, and became a servant, a human, a little lower than the Angels (indicating that He started as more than the angels). Yes, I describe Him as a human who had to learn, but that is after He emptied Himself.

Word for word, this section of John 10:36 translates into reading English as "I am a son of the God." The "the" definitive article is on row 2 of the screen shot. This same kind of construct appears in John 1:1 where the Word is not the God, but is with the God.
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When translated into English, "the" (tou) would go before "Son", not after "of". It becomes "the Son of God", not "Son of the God". There is no "a" before "Son" in the text. This is why EVERY word-for-word translation translates the phrase "‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’".

You aren't correct, but I am willing to overlook you misrepresentation of the word son because you provided me the opening I need to point out that none of the other 1st century sons are their own father.

There is no misrepresentation of the word "son", and I did not say that "son" means that he is his father. "God" is a title, a position, and there is only ONE God. But that God is made up of three 'persons', or 'manifestations', or whatever you want to call it. The Father is not the same as the Son, but they are both the same God.

Did you know Christians can be in God, Jesus, and each other in the same way God and Jesus are? Jesus said so. So, once again, you're still going too far with your theology.

Indeed, just as a husband and wife are one flesh (even though they are two people), so we will be united to God through being married to Christ (who is God).