In addition to your disrespect for God you also have a philosophical concept of a limitation of God. We repeatedly see God appearing as men in the OT and the witnesses of these encounters were not burned to dust.
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Pancho Frijoles
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I know. That’s why I’m being explicit and calling your ATTENTION in my post, that Jesus and God are different persons.
I have already addressed Romans 10:13 in my post. Are you going to resort again to your accusations of hiding, my brother?
You better present strong arguments or retract your statements.
You have been accusing others of evading and hiding for many months. Time to wake up and grow up.
Pancho Frijoles
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For Paul there is only One God, The Father.
The Father and Jesus are not the same person.
Therefore, Only the Father is God, confirming Jesus declaration in John 17:1-3.
Great. Let's move on and not waste time with something that is not even being disagreed upon.
You failed to address how this passage demonstrates the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer which proves He is God.
Try again.
Pancho Frijoles
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No. It proves he is a proper Mediator between man and God. That’s what mediators do.
You have been refuted.
Pancho Frijoles
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No sir.
You don’t believe that God and Jesus are different persons.
So I won’t move on.
For Paul, Jesus and God are different persons, which proves that Jesus is not God.
Such proof is irrelevant, though, for those who follow Jesus.
The proof is relevant only for those who condemn and deny God’s mercy to those who doubt adhere to Jesus deity.
Which proves you don't know how to read very well.
Yeah, I know. You are stuck in your absurdities.
Pancho Frijoles
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I am not delusional., my brother.
Jesus is a proper recipient of prayer in his role as Mediator. You can pray to a Mediator if you want.
Pancho Frijoles
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Then explain to our readers what is the difference between God and Jesus.
I see your point. I beg to differ.
Which proves He is God for God ALONE is the proper recipient of prayer.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-trinity-made-easy.87/page-4#post-3446
Runningman
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Not when Paul literally quotes an entire passage, word for word, from the Old Testament where YHWH isn't Jesus. Simple.
Runningman
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Why do you call the Father just "god" with such disrespect?
That's your assumption.
Since every other time this expression refers to Jesus gives further proof that Paul believed Jesus is YHWH here.
Simple.
Runningman
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Desperate. You are reduced to an obscure argument that relies on an unrelated context. I enjoy the teachings of Jesus who directly taught that the only recipient of prayer is the Father in Matthew 6:6,9
Pancho Frijoles
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God cannot be a Mediator to Himself, which makes logically impossible that Jesus can be God. Indeed, the Scriptures refer to Jesus as “Man” in his role of Mediator.
In contrast, it is logically possible to pray to Jesus as Mediator. During his life, many people asked Him things and He confirmed that we could ask Him things, although He promoted a direct prayer to His Father, which is the most common practice of most Christians to date.
Since a Mediator before God cannot be God, but a Mediator can be a proper recipient of prayer, you have been publicly refuted… again.
The Unitarian 'god' is not the Bible. It would be disrespectful to God if I affirmed the Unitarian god is the same.
Runningman
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You call this an assumption? Peter quoted directly from the same passage that Paul did and it's very clearly about YHWH. Nothing about calling on Jesus in all of Scripture to be saved.
Joel 2
28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Acts 2 (KJV)
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Pancho Frijoles
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You dodge that a Mediator is a proper recipient of prayer, as that’s the job of a Mediator. Collect a plea and take it to the judge.
Stop dodging. Think. Wake up.
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