Runningman
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Great thread. I was the one who opened it. 104 pages of not a single verse that says Jesus was prayed to.
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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Pancho Frijoles
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What name is it? Say it.
How can you refer to a name that you are not willing to reveal, or pronounce?
What is that name?
Pancho Frijoles
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Which proves He is a Mediator.
Jesus is referred to as "the Name" in the Bible.
Which proves He is the proper recipient of prayer. See the "Hint" part above.
One day it may sink in.
You can keep repeating your same worthless arguments against it, but they will never refute it.
Pancho Frijoles
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Try closing your eyes and postrating..
Then say: “You, Father, are the Only and True God, and Jesus is Your Messiah… I submit my will to your will, as your Anointed taught me.”
The following sculpture, found in a cemetery in São Paulo, Brazil, shows Jesus worshiping His God.
If Jesus is your Lord and you follow his example, why don’t you imitate Him?
You already affirmed Jesus can be prayed to.
This proves He is God.
This truth isn't going away.
Pancho Frijoles
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Yes.
No. That proves He is a Mediator.
A Mediator who falls on his face to submit to His God.
I encourage you to follow his example.
Pancho Frijoles
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Logical fallacy: God cannot be God and Mediator of God.
In contrast, praying to a Mediator who is willing to take our need to God does not entail a logical contradiction.
Refuted, again and again and again and again.
Refuting you is normal… and irrelevant. It doesn’t make me stand closer to God than you. In contrast, it prevents me to go to sleep.
So, I will go to sleep now. Good night.
God alone is the proper recipient of prayer.
Too bad your heresy can't accept what the Bible teaches.
Peterlag
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Those were angels who appeared like the guy who wrestled with Jacob. Jacob wrestling with the angel is described in the Book of Genesis (chapter 32:22–32; also referenced in the Book of Hosea, chapter 12:3–5). The "angel" in question is referred to as "man" (אִישׁ: Ish) and "God."
Jacob wrestling with the angel - Wikipedia
Peterlag
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God is more referred to as a warrior...
We do indeed have significant differences among various traditions spread out all over the planet. However, the one fundamental shared concept seems to be quite similar, that the world is a spiritual battle zone, which is why it looks that way. From Indonesia to the Hottentots of South Africa, the Nahuatl of Mexico, the Apaches, Chiricahua, and Papagoes of the American Southwest, along with Northeatern Nigeria, and the Vedic Poets of early Hinduism just to name a few. And everywhere in between we find people all over the globe in every culture speaking and writing about some type of spiritual battle going on. I believe the cosmos is a free democracy whereby we are truly blessed or cursed by how we align ourselves in the fight between two cosmic kingdoms. We either share in Christ's victory or we share in Satan's defeat. But we are in either case always only the secondary participants and never the main players.
Peterlag
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Jesus is the second in command, the head of the body of Christ, which is his church. The son of God who was made both Lord and Christ when God raised him from the dead. And so you say we can't pray to him. Why?
Runningman
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What evidence would that be. No clear arguments about Jesus being prayed to in any uncertain terms was there in that thread. I know people believe that, but to be very conservative about it, the Bible doesn't teach anyone to pray to Jesus.
The ones you couldn't refute.
Peterlag
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I have no clue why you think Jesus has to be God because we can pray to him.
Okay. So Gen 32:22-32 says nothing toward your view. So you flop again. The angel is about Jacob fighting the manifestation of God. The angel or man Jacob fought was shown to be the struggle with God (gen 32:28). So it is hard to see why you use this in contraversion of your broad view.
