Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all.
you said, " God often delegates His own roles, titles, and judgments to His chosen agent. The Son carries out judgment because the Father appointed him (John 5:22, 27) — not because he is the same being as the Father."

"God delegates His own roles, titles" ok, glad you said that. listen closely, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

God said that he will come and save us..... so, Pete, who came and saved us? your answer please.

101G.

This isn't the same context and the kind of saving Jesus did because the Bible says God sent Jesus, not that God came and saved people from their sins. God doesn't need to come save people from their sins. As far as sin goes, God can forgive people without a sin sacrifice according to the Old Testament. Do you know why God sent Jesus exactly?

 

[Peterlag]

GINOLJC, to all.
you said, " God often delegates His own roles, titles, and judgments to His chosen agent. The Son carries out judgment because the Father appointed him (John 5:22, 27) — not because he is the same being as the Father."

"God delegates His own roles, titles" ok, glad you said that. listen closely, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

God said that he will come and save us..... so, Pete, who came and saved us? your answer please.

101G.

My first thought is Isaiah 35:4 is still future.

 

[Peterlag]

For me, that's a strawman argument, text below speaks of Jesus as an Advocate. And Bible lexicon defined "Advocate," in Greek "παράκλητος paraklētos" as one who pleads another’s cause before a judge, an intercessor, legal assistant, and etc.
That proves your point is wrong.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

παράκλητος paraklētos
Thayer Definition:
1) summoned, called to one’s side, especially called to one’s aid
1a) one who pleads another’s cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate
1b) one who pleads another’s cause with one, an intercessor

The above that you write has nothing to do with the Old Testament that I was referring to whhen I said...

The Trinity folks often argue that since Revelation, Paul, and other New Tesrament texts depict Jesus as Judge using Old Testament language originally applied to Yahweh and then they say this proves Jesus is Yahweh himself and therefore God Almighty.

 

[Peterlag]

One of the most debated statements of Jesus is when he said...

Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up (John 2:19). Some argue this means Jesus claimed he would resurrect himself. Perhaps Jesus spoke of raising his body and not resurrecting himself. The verb used here is "egeiró" (Strong’s G#1453) which can mean “to raise” or “to stand up” or “to get up.” Jesus is saying he will raise his body and not that he will restore himself to life.

The passive form of the verb “ēgérthē” (was raised) makes it clear that Jesus was acted upon by someone else and that he did not resurrect himself. This is fully consistent with the broader New Testament witness of 31 times that the Scriptures report God the Father raised Jesus from the dead and nowhere is it ever recorded that Jesus raised himself. John 2:19–22 fits seamlessly within this pattern.

The same verb appears elsewhere with the meaning of physically rising: "egeiró" in the sense of “stand up” or “get up.”

Matthew 8:25 — Save us, Lord; we are perishing! Jesus said, Why are you afraid, O you of little faith? Then he stood up (egeiro) and rebuked the winds and the sea.
Matthew 9:25 — Jesus took her by the hand, and the girl stood up (egeiro).
Matthew 17:7 — Jesus came and touched them, saying, Rise (egeiro) and have no fear.

These examples show that “egeiró" can refer to “getting up” or “standing” and not necessarily initiating resurrection from death. Jesus received authority from the Father to take back his life.

John 2:18
No man takes (my life) from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. This commandment I received from my Father.

The Greek word "lambano" (Strong’s G#2983) here means to take, receive, accept. Many English translations make this clear:

Authorized to give it up, and authorized to take it back — AMP.
I have the authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take possession of it again — LEB.
My authority allows me to give my life and to take it again — VOICE.

Jesus did not possess the power to resurrect himself. He simply had the authority, granted by God, to surrender his life to God, and to receive it back from God.

“Exousia” means authority or right, not inherent power. The Greek “exousia” (Strong’s G#1849) often translated as “power” in (John 10:18) can also mean “liberty” or “right.”

His resurrection ascribed to the Father was his assertion of his own right to life — J.F.&B. Commentary.
This freedom does not clash with the power of God in raising him — Expositor's Greek Testament.

 

[Runningman]

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One of the most debated statements of Jesus is when he said...

Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up (John 2:19). Some argue this means Jesus claimed he would resurrect himself. Perhaps Jesus spoke of raising his body and not resurrecting himself. The verb used here is "egeiró" (Strong’s G#1453) which can mean “to raise” or “to stand up” or “to get up.” Jesus is saying he will raise his body and not that he will restore himself to life.

The passive form of the verb “ēgérthē” (was raised) makes it clear that Jesus was acted upon by someone else and that he did not resurrect himself. This is fully consistent with the broader New Testament witness of 31 times that the Scriptures report God the Father raised Jesus from the dead and nowhere is it ever recorded that Jesus raised himself. John 2:19–22 fits seamlessly within this pattern.

The same verb appears elsewhere with the meaning of physically rising: "egeiró" in the sense of “stand up” or “get up.”

Matthew 8:25 — Save us, Lord; we are perishing! Jesus said, Why are you afraid, O you of little faith? Then he stood up (egeiro) and rebuked the winds and the sea.
Matthew 9:25 — Jesus took her by the hand, and the girl stood up (egeiro).
Matthew 17:7 — Jesus came and touched them, saying, Rise (egeiro) and have no fear.

These examples show that “egeiró" can refer to “getting up” or “standing” and not necessarily initiating resurrection from death. Jesus received authority from the Father to take back his life.

John 2:18
No man takes (my life) from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. This commandment I received from my Father.

The Greek word "lambano" (Strong’s G#2983) here means to take, receive, accept. Many English translations make this clear:

Authorized to give it up, and authorized to take it back — AMP.
I have the authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take possession of it again — LEB.
My authority allows me to give my life and to take it again — VOICE.

Jesus did not possess the power to resurrect himself. He simply had the authority, granted by God, to surrender his life to God, and to receive it back from God.

“Exousia” means authority or right, not inherent power. The Greek “exousia” (Strong’s G#1849) often translated as “power” in (John 10:18) can also mean “liberty” or “right.”

His resurrection ascribed to the Father was his assertion of his own right to life — J.F.&B. Commentary.
This freedom does not clash with the power of God in raising him — Expositor's Greek Testament.

The Trinitarians in their haste to push out propaganda made some sloppy errors as you just pointed out.

"To take it up" (again) in John 10:18 is an aorist tense verb in the infinitive mood and active voice. The subject of the passage is what Jesus received from his Father. Therefore, instead of "to take it up" (again) the correct translation would say "I have authority to receive it again..." which is why Jesus received a command from God in the first place. Which is not only a valid translation of λαβεῖν (labein) but also is in line with the rest of Scripture that states his resurrection is something Jesus received, not something he performed.

John 10:18 could read something like this: “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to receive it again. This command I received from my Father.”

This also happens to be how the REV translates John 10:18. I didn't look at it before I made this post.

 

[Peterlag]

Did Jesus really create the universe?

Many point to Colosians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe. Isaiah 44:24 says God created "all alone" and "by myself." So who's telling the truth? Acts 17:24-31 says God made the world and everything in it. He will judge the world by a MAN whom He has appointed and raised from the dead.

So what does Colossians 1:16 mean? The phrase "all things were created in" and "through" and "for" Jesus is not about physical creation. It's about God's plan of redemption, which centered on the Messiah. Jesus is the foundation of God's plan, and not the architect of the cosmos. Colosians 1 isn't about Genesis 1. It's about the New Creation.

 

[Runningman]

Did Jesus really create the universe?

Many point to Colosians 1:16 and claim it proves that Jesus is the creator of the universe. Isaiah 44:24 says God created "all alone" and "by myself." So who's telling the truth? Acts 17:24-31 says God made the world and everything in it. He will judge the world by a MAN whom He has appointed and raised from the dead.

So what does Colossians 1:16 mean? The phrase "all things were created in" and "through" and "for" Jesus is not about physical creation. It's about God's plan of redemption, which centered on the Messiah. Jesus is the foundation of God's plan, and not the architect of the cosmos. Colosians 1 isn't about Genesis 1. It's about the New Creation.

Trinitarian leaders often teach their followers that the Bible is a personal love letter written to them from God [sic]. It's part of the necessary conditioning to equip them to reinterpret the Bible in whatever way they want to. This is partly why the trinitarians have 10s of thousands of denominations, sub-denominations, and sects. Often, then think the Bible is written personally to them, which gives it a bit of subjectivity to interpret it through whatever their world view and feelings are rather than attempting to understand the Bible within the context of the time, culture, and people it was written in and to.

 

[Capbook]

The above that you write has nothing to do with the Old Testament that I was referring to whhen I said...

The Trinity folks often argue that since Revelation, Paul, and other New Tesrament texts depict Jesus as Judge using Old Testament language originally applied to Yahweh and then they say this proves Jesus is Yahweh himself and therefore God Almighty.

As for me, Jesus is not the Father Himself, Trinitarians believe the three, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are separate and distinct persons one in the nature of God.
See Old Testament verses below;

Dan 7:9 “I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire.
Dan 7:13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a son of man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.
Dan 7:22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.

 

[Doug Brents]

My first thought is Isaiah 35:4 is still future.

When you read Isa 35:5-6 in connection with Isa 35:4 (remember, context will always lead you right), you will see that this is the passage that Jesus was referring to in Matt 11:5 and Luke 7:22, thus demonstrating that Isa 35:4 is referring to Jesus' first coming, and so from our perspective has already happened.

 

[101G]

This isn't the same context and the kind of saving Jesus did because the Bible says God sent Jesus, not that God came and saved people from their sins. God doesn't need to come save people from their sins. As far as sin goes, God can forgive people without a sin sacrifice according to the Old Testament. Do you know why God sent Jesus exactly?

GINOLJC, to all.
My God run, can you read? God sent his "OWN ARM" to save us, yes, he himself in "Diversity," supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

HIS "OWN ARM" ... RUN, IS THE CHRIST, (HE GOD, HIMSELF IN FLESH), JUST READ ISAIAH CHAPTER 53. My God have you all not been taught at all... HIS "OWN" ARM is him. come on .... THINK, ......run, is your "OWN ARM" 101G's arm? no, it your OWN ARM.... Think man.

110G

 

[101G]

My first thought is Isaiah 35:4 is still future.

well lets see, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

Isaiah 35:5 "Then (yes, THEN when God comes,) the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped." (did not the Lord Jesus do that, Mt 9:27 Joh 9:1, Mt 11:5, Mt 9:27, and Joh 9:1) Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert." (did not the Lord Jesus do that? Mt 15:30 ) ... well pete this has already happen. the bible rebukes you. your so called agent of God, the Lord Jesus is God himself. as told run, the Lord Jesus your so called agent of God is God himself his "OWN ARM", yes, read Isaiah chapter 53.

see pete, this is why you cannot "BELIEVE" John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." here's why, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" pete, you have not ... BELIEVED the report, (the bible). LISTEN to the report, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." his OWN ARM" pete, is HE himself in flesh... the Christ. 101G put BELIEF in blue so when you read again the scriptures above in blue then you will KNOW that your agent of God is God himself in flesh... (smile)

when you READ, repent, ....... from IGNORANCE .......
101G.

 

[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all.
My God run, can you read? God sent his "OWN ARM" to save us, yes, he himself in "Diversity," supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

HIS "OWN ARM" ... RUN, IS THE CHRIST, (HE GOD, HIMSELF IN FLESH), JUST READ ISAIAH CHAPTER 53. My God have you all not been taught at all... HIS "OWN" ARM is him. come on .... THINK, ......run, is your "OWN ARM" 101G's arm? no, it your OWN ARM.... Think man.

110G

You're being too literal. For example, God is said to have a right hand, but never said to have a left hand. God is said to have "an arm" singular, but not two arms. God has a footstool, God has a throne, etc. We were just talking about how these things aren't literal right? God isn't a one-armed one-legged being made of flesh. It's all simply metaphor and imagery to make a point, not literal. You're overthinking it a bit. Jesus is not God's literal arm right?

 

[FreeInChrist]

well lets see, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

Isaiah 35:5 "Then (yes, THEN when God comes,) the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped." (did not the Lord Jesus do that, Mt 9:27 Joh 9:1, Mt 11:5, Mt 9:27, and Joh 9:1) Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert." (did not the Lord Jesus do that? Mt 15:30 ) ... well pete this has already happen. the bible rebukes you. your so called agent of God, the Lord Jesus is God himself. as told run, the Lord Jesus your so called agent of God is God himself his "OWN ARM", yes, read Isaiah chapter 53.

see pete, this is why you cannot "BELIEVE" John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." here's why, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" pete, you have not ... BELIEVED the report, (the bible). LISTEN to the report, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." his OWN ARM" pete, is HE himself in flesh... the Christ. 101G put BELIEF in blue so when you read again the scriptures above in blue then you will KNOW that your agent of God is God himself in flesh... (smile)

when you READ, repent, ....... from IGNORANCE .......
101G.

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[101G]

You're being too literal. For example, God is said to have a right hand, but never said to have a left hand.

well run, your first ERROR of the day. listen carefully, now before we give you your first defeat of the day, was not man made in God IMAGE? yes ... now scripture, Isaiah 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together." Psalms 102:24 "I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations." Psalms 102:25 "Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands." see that "s." at the end of his hand...(s) .... lol, lol, lol, Oh my.

now N.T. Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands" well now it seems God HAS TWO HANDS JUST AS HIS own image, (MAN), DO THAT HE, HE, HE, CREATED IN HIS, HIS, HIS, OWN IMAGE, ... WHAT A coincidence THAT IS.... (SMILE), coffee this morning..... WAKE UP.

God is said to have "an arm" singular, but not two arms.

see above.

God has a footstool, God has a throne, etc. We were just talking about how these things aren't literal right?

Spiritually right, but for you to understand, which was manifested in Christ, and now in glorification is NOW LITERAL. did you not read? Exodus 29:45 "And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God." HOW? in a body, (the incarnation), now resurrected and in a glorified body. run, this is basic bible study, you should know this already. but ... hold on... but, but, and that's a but with one T... (smile), but listen to 1 John. 1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." if EVERY EYE will see him, well do God have a FACE, remember John said, " we know" we will be like him. so, again, do God have a FACE to? yes, God has a FACE to that body, (smile), hear and Learn. Revelation 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:" Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." WHAT!... God has a FACE.... get out of here... (Smile), Oh my God, can anyone be this Ignorant?

101G.

We were just talking about how these things aren't literal right? God isn't a one-armed one-legged being made of flesh. It's all simply metaphor and imagery to make a point, not literal. You're overthinking it a bit. Jesus is not God's literal arm right?

LOL, LOL, Oh my ... in the OT we could not see God literal, so we used anthropomorphism which was to come. my God run do you know what prophecy is. listen, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" so, run, in the end do God have a body? yes, a resurrected one which is glorified in the Spirit. run this is basic bible study. the OT is the NT HIDDEN, and the NT is the OT REVEALED. if you can understand this ... what happen before is an allegory to what is now literal.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all, again,

The arm of flesh vs The Arm of the LORD, “authority”​

When Sennacherib king of Assyria came, and entered into Judah, he brought his army/an arm of flesh.

2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: 8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah". one of the failing prompts of the Unitarians, JW belief, and others is this. they say," Jesus is not God", and one of there excuses, "he could do nothing of himself", John 8:28 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things”. as the "the ARM of God", he was not authorized to act alone. this is clear as with the Assyrian army. no army act alone, or on their own power. not even our, the American Army, just get up and go to war with another country without authorization from the commander in chief, or congress. just as 101G own arm don't wave unless 101G authorized it to wave. the head gives direction to the body. this is explained in the understanding of the use of POWERS, the G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia. just as the Army can do nothing of their own so do the Lord Jesus, he don't act alone/own his own. hence one of the reason why he was in G2758 keno, (to abase, neutralize, or make of none effect). but at his baptism he was authorized with G1849 exousia to act in the NAME of God, who doth the work. as to forgive sin, heal the sick, raise the dead, and so on. he is our example of how the G1849exousia works. and that's why we, as 1 John 3:2a states, "now we're the Sons of God". because we was not before, by default we was the son of the evil one. our Lord Jesus having the NATURE, (see Phil 2:5) of God. yes, HAVING, is BEING IN THE FORM of God, having his nature, he took on our humanity. so that as the "KINSMAN" redeemer in flesh and blood he then could give that BLOOD, which is the LIFE of the flesh, (see Lev17:11),and redeem man from sin. this is the "OBJECTIVE" of God, his plan, and his will. and “BEING” in that flesh he carried out his plan of salvation for Man. again his "OWN" arm brought salvation unto him, (see Isaiah63:5).so that answers the “if Christ is God, how come he could do nothing of himself”. and it shows the EQUAL SHARE of God in flesh as his OWN (POWER)/ARM working on man's behalf, as Isaiah 35:4 clearly shows.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

well run, your first ERROR of the day. listen carefully, now before we give you your first defeat of the day, was not man made in God IMAGE? yes ... now scripture, Isaiah 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together." Psalms 102:24 "I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations." Psalms 102:25 "Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands." see that "s." at the end of his hand...(s) .... lol, lol, lol, Oh my.

now N.T. Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands" well now it seems God HAS TWO HANDS JUST AS HIS own image, (MAN), DO THAT HE, HE, HE, CREATED IN HIS, HIS, HIS, OWN IMAGE, ... WHAT A coincidence THAT IS.... (SMILE), coffee this morning..... WAKE UP.

see above.

Spiritually right, but for you to understand, which was manifested in Christ, and now in glorification is NOW LITERAL. did you not read? Exodus 29:45 "And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God." HOW? in a body, (the incarnation), now resurrected and in a glorified body. run, this is basic bible study, you should know this already. but ... hold on... but, but, and that's a but with one T... (smile), but listen to 1 John. 1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." if EVERY EYE will see him, well do God have a FACE, remember John said, " we know" we will be like him. so, again, do God have a FACE to? yes, God has a FACE to that body, (smile), hear and Learn. Revelation 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:" Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." WHAT!... God has a FACE.... get out of here... (Smile), Oh my God, can anyone be this Ignorant?

101G.

LOL, LOL, Oh my ... in the OT we could not see God literal, so we used anthropomorphism which was to come. my God run do you know what prophecy is. listen, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" so, run, in the end do God have a body? yes, a resurrected one which is glorified in the Spirit. run this is basic bible study. the OT is the NT HIDDEN, and the NT is the OT REVEALED. if you can understand this ... what happen before is an allegory to what is now literal.

101G.

As I said, simply metaphor and imagery. Scripture says God is an invisible Spirit. Your theory about God being a giant flesh man as big as the universe doesn't work from a Scriptural perspective. Your conclusion is fanatical and extremist.

 

[Peterlag]

well lets see, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

Isaiah 35:5 "Then (yes, THEN when God comes,) the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped." (did not the Lord Jesus do that, Mt 9:27 Joh 9:1, Mt 11:5, Mt 9:27, and Joh 9:1) Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert." (did not the Lord Jesus do that? Mt 15:30 ) ... well pete this has already happen. the bible rebukes you. your so called agent of God, the Lord Jesus is God himself. as told run, the Lord Jesus your so called agent of God is God himself his "OWN ARM", yes, read Isaiah chapter 53.

see pete, this is why you cannot "BELIEVE" John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." here's why, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" pete, you have not ... BELIEVED the report, (the bible). LISTEN to the report, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." his OWN ARM" pete, is HE himself in flesh... the Christ. 101G put BELIEF in blue so when you read again the scriptures above in blue then you will KNOW that your agent of God is God himself in flesh... (smile)

when you READ, repent, ....... from IGNORANCE .......
101G.

“your God will come.” God will come in the person of His agent, the Lord Jesus Christ, and God will empower him to accomplish the will of God.

 

[Peterlag]

When you read Isa 35:5-6 in connection with Isa 35:4 (remember, context will always lead you right), you will see that this is the passage that Jesus was referring to in Matt 11:5 and Luke 7:22, thus demonstrating that Isa 35:4 is referring to Jesus' first coming, and so from our perspective has already happened.

“your God will come.” God will come in the person of His agent, the Lord Jesus Christ, and God will empower him to accomplish the will of God.

 

[FreeInChrist]

“your God will come.” God will come in the person of His agent, the Lord Jesus Christ, and God will empower him to accomplish the will of God.

Still with the copy and paste.

 

[FreeInChrist]

“your God will come.” God will come in the person of His agent, the Lord Jesus Christ, and God will empower him to accomplish the will of God.

Still with the copy and paste.