7xLightray
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Are you saying God is rocks, dirt, poop?! Did you think this all out?
The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14
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101G
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personal Opinion? is not everything contained in him? did not God made the rocks, dirt, poop... ect.....? now LISTEN REAL GOOD Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." and uphold all of it, including the poop.... Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
and get this, is he not the air you breath? all things are in him. next question.
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7xLightray
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"personal Opinion?"
How would I know, it's your doctrine we are discussing!
I'm not sure of your answer. Are you saying then, that God is poop, or is in poop? Or, is He outside of poop? Is God creation? Or, is He outside of creation?
"and get this, is he not the air you breath?"
I think this is a statement, and I would agree. He breathed His breath, not air, into Adam.
101G
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did 101G not answer you by scripture? well then if you can reprove by scripture..... ok
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7xLightray
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I am not reproving anything right now, I am asking a question, trying to understand what you believe!
This was the question..
"Are you saying then, that God is poop, or is in poop? Or, is He outside of poop? Is God creation? Or, is He outside of creation?"
Just so I understand you.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
once again, God is the Originator of creation, meaning he's the CREATOR, got that. and he upholds all things, meaning he maintains all of his creations. got that also. including, as you say, the "poop", the "rocks" and "US". let us make man, now..... do you "poop?" yes or no.
as well as Good & evil, God is the Creator of it all, including you and your "poop".
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7xLightray
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I'm sorry, my fault, did not mean to confuse you, I misread this comment "and get this, is he not the air you breath?"
I thought it read "and get this, he is not the air you breath?"
And I replied with "I think this is a statement, and I would agree. He breathed His breath, not air, into Adam."
So, I'm going to have to change my reply to, I would not agree. He breathed His breath, not air, into Adam.
7xLightray
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Yes got that, but those are not the questions I was asking.
I did not ask, Is God the Originator of creation?
I did not ask, does he upholds all things, or does He maintain all of his creations?
I did not ask, did God create my poop?
I did not ask, did God create Good & evil?
I did not ask, did God create me?
None of those answer the question I asked.
This is what I asked, "Are you saying then, that God is poop, or is in poop? Or, is He outside of poop? Is God creation? Or, is He outside of creation?"
I am asking, Is God the creations He made, or is His outside of His creations (meaning God is not creation)?
You don't have to have scripture here, I just want to know how you see it?
But if I understand this comment correctly now "and get this, is he not the air you breath?," then you do believe God is creation, is this correct?
101G
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7 .... listen again. God fills heaven and earth. listen, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." find out what "fill" mean as an adj.
he upholds all thing, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" now look up "upholding"
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7xLightray
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You are not being clear at all, I could understand what you said in at least to different ways. So, does that mean you believe the Father is the creation He made? Do you believe God is creation? Or, do you believe God fills some of creation, but He does not fill all of creation?
101G
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GINOLJC to all.
Listen, 101G is clear. you asked, "you believe the Father is the creation He made?"... Listen, the Father is the Spirit that made all Creation.
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listen, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD."
now, is not God omni-present?
101G.
7xLightray
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This is even less clear then before. In fact, I do not have a clue as to what you may mean.
Does this mean God is creation and more?
Or, does this mean God is not creation, but is more than creation?
It looks to me you are unwilling to commit, and are just beating around the bush. Is this true?
You could have made yourself clear by now. All you would have to do is text either..
"Yes, God is creation."
..or..
"No, God is not creation"
It's really that quick and simple, for anyone willing to be straightforward, and clear.
And, you also believe Jesus is God the Father, so, did Jesus steer the centurion wrong?
101G
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7xLightray
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A godly answer, by now, would have been either "Yes, God is creation!," or "No, God is not creation!" A reminder, anything else is deceit and manipulation. And that, is not the spirit of God!
You want to teach and correct me, but you are refusing to answer questions, and insist on being vague, and beat around the bush, and then blaming me for not understanding! Why? What are you afraid of, hiding in the shadows? What kind of godly teacher is this, that darkens my door?
This is what I asked, "Are you saying then, that God is poop, or is in poop? Or, is He outside of poop? Is God creation? Or, is He outside of creation?"
I am asking, Is God the creation He made, or is He not the creation He made? Is God creation, is all I am asking?
So, do I understand you correctly on this comment of yours "and get this, is he not the air you breath?," that you do believe God is creation, is this correct?
It would have been clear long ago, if you simply answered "Yes, God is creation!" or "No, God is not creation!" Why are you blaming others for how you wield the sword!
101G
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how ,many times must 101G tell you? now go back through the replies 101G made and get the answer.
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7xLightray
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101G
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simple, God is the CREATOR of his CREATION, ... that he came into...... (smile), simple enough.
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7xLightray
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What does it mean, to you, when you say, God came into His creation? Just so I understand you and don't get you wrong by what you mean by God came into His creation.
Does it mean God is in rocks, the dead, and poop?
That God is in all the parts of a car?
Or, that a certain percentage of a car and all it's parts God is in?
Do you mean our bones and flesh are made of God, or is it a percentage that are made of God, or is it neither are made of God?
And does that mean, to you, God is the rock? If God removed Himself from the rock, would it cease to exist? Or, is it that God made rocks to exist separate from Himself?
Or, do you mean by this, that God is just in air, and dark matter of space?
Or, do you mean Jesus Christ the person came into the world, and put on flesh as a coat? And then, does that mean, to you, God is not creation, or at least God is not the rest of creation?
So, I know you said God came into His creation, but all you have to do is copy and past one of these next four statements to be clear by what you mean by "God is the CREATOR of his CREATION, ... that he came into"
"Yes, God is creation."
..or..
"No, God is not creation."
..or..
"God is part of, or a percentage of, creation."
..or..
"No, I mean, Jesus Christ came into the world and put on flesh as a coat; which also means God is not creation, or at least God is not the rest of creation."
101G
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LOL, read please, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." I am he? yes the same one person, and here's why. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." and Fred, "Also" means, in addition; too in addition to being the FIRST he is ...... ALSO ...... the LAST.
see Fred, the two angels in Lot House was a type, a figure, a shadow of the Father and the Son extending GRACE to a dying world. understand types, figures, and shadows of the OT in order to understand the NT.
now lets see this "EQUAL WITH" IN SCRIPYURES.
A. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" equal .... WITH? bingo.
B. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." again, WITH, bingo.
that "WITH" is the same as "ALSO" meaning the same one person.
the two angels in the "FORM" of men. which you have no clue.
Now ..... (smile) "Keil & Delitzsch Old Testament Commentary: And this is no other than Jehovah, who can declare of Himself, in contrast with the heathen and their gods, who are of yesterday, and tomorrow will not be: I am Jehovah, the very first, whose being precedes all history; and with the men of the latest generations yet to come.""
in contrast with the heathen and their gods? are you kidding, LISTEN and LEARN,
Brown-Driver-Briggs
אַחֲרוֺן51 feminine אַחֲרוֺנָה plural אַחֲרֹנִים (also אַחֲרוֺנִים adjective from אַחַר, coming after or behind (as a comparative or superlative, according to the context); hence
a. of place, behind, hindermost Genesis 33:2 (twice in verse); הָאַחֲרוֺן הַיָּם the hinder (= the Western) sea (i.e. the Mediterranean: opposed to הַיָּם הַקַּדְמוֺנִי the front sea = the Dead Sea, the Semites, in defining the quarters of the heavens, turning naturally to the East, compare קֶדֶם of the East, יָמִין, תֵּימָן of the South, above under the word אָחוֺר d. and Assyrian mat a—arru 'the Western land,' of Phoenicia & Palestine) Deuteronomy 11:24; Deuteronomy 34:2; Joel 2:20; Zechariah 14:8; Job 18:20 poetic אַחֲרֹנִים Ew Hi Di De the dwellers in the West (opposed to קַדְמוֺנִים). More commonly
b. of time, latter or last (according to context) Exodus 4:8; Deuteronomy 24:3; 2 Samuel 19:12; Isaiah 8:23, of God Isaiah 44:6 ("" רִאשׁוֺן) Isaiah 48:12 (do.) compare Isaiah 41:4; in Genl. subsequent (vaguely), ׳יוֺם א = time to come Isaiah 30:8; Proverbs 31:25 (but Nehemiah 8:18 הַיוֺם ׳הָאַ = the last day), ׳(הָ)אַ (הַ)דּוֺר the following Generation Deuteronomy 29:21; Psalm 48:14; Psalm 78:4; Psalm 78:6; Psalm 102:19, (הָ)אַחֲרֹנִים they that come after Job 18:20 (Ges Schl) Ecclesiastes 1:11; Ecclesiastes 4:16, but Isaiah 41:4 the last, Job 19:25 וְאַחֲרוֺן עַלעָֿפָר יָקוּם and as one coming after (me) (and so able to establish my innocence when I am dead) will he (גָֹּֽאֲלִי my Vindicator) arise upon the dust. — The feminine is used adverbially (compare רִאשֹׁנָה) = afterwards or at the last (according to context): (a) absolute Daniel 11:29; (β) בָּאַחֲרוֺנָה (opposed to בָּרִאשֹׁנָה) Deuteronomy 13:10; Deuteronomy 17:7; 1 Samuel 29:2; 2 Samuel 2:26; 1 Kings 17:13; Daniel 8:3; (γ) ׳לָאַ Numbers 2:31 (P) Ecclesiastes 1:11.
THE... LAST, THE, THE, THE LAST this is in TIME as in First and Last.... example, Revelation 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."
First and Last the same ONE PERSON, IN TIME. Listen and Learn. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
One LORD and to come in flesh "ONE" Lord. for ONE here is the H259 ECHAD of oneself to Come in TIME, just as Brown-Driver-Briggs Clearly states.
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
there he is, "(as an ordinal) first." FIRST in TIME, and WITH the LAST in TIME? 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." in Lot day the LORD/Lord, the TWO ANGELS was in a ECHAD or a similitude of God, ... Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."
this is just too east.
see Fred, a plural pronoun of God is "ONE", better known as the ECHAD, or the EQUAL SHARE of God in flesh.
too easy.
101G.
dwight92070
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There's no better commentator on the scriptures than Jesus and the apostles themselves.
Listen to what the apostle John concludes in John 5:18. Again, these are the apostle John's comments:
"For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him,
1. because He not only was breaking the Sabbath,
2. but also was calling God His own Father,
making Himself equal with God.
There we have the truth:
Jesus DID break the Sabbath
And He DID make Himself equal with God.
End of discussion.
Period.
Any denial of what the apostle John said was true is, of course, false.
1. So in the story of the lame man at the pool at Bethesda, Jesus VIOLATED the Law twice. First, He healed (did work) on the Sabbath. Second, He commanded the lame man to violate the Sabbath Law by picking up his pallet and walking with it.
2. So EVERY TIME Jesus used the words "My Father", He was making Himself equal with God.
This why the Jews WANTED TO KILL HIM. If this was not breaking the Law and blasphemy, they would not have reacted so violently.
You can argue, rationalize, whine, complain about these truths all day long - it will not change the truth. You will be wrong.
Listen to what the apostle John concludes in John 5:18. Again, these are the apostle John's comments:
"For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him,
1. because He not only was breaking the Sabbath,
2. but also was calling God His own Father,
making Himself equal with God.
There we have the truth:
Jesus DID break the Sabbath
And He DID make Himself equal with God.
End of discussion.
Period.
Any denial of what the apostle John said was true is, of course, false.
1. So in the story of the lame man at the pool at Bethesda, Jesus VIOLATED the Law twice. First, He healed (did work) on the Sabbath. Second, He commanded the lame man to violate the Sabbath Law by picking up his pallet and walking with it.
2. So EVERY TIME Jesus used the words "My Father", He was making Himself equal with God.
This why the Jews WANTED TO KILL HIM. If this was not breaking the Law and blasphemy, they would not have reacted so violently.
You can argue, rationalize, whine, complain about these truths all day long - it will not change the truth. You will be wrong.
