The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14

[DavidTree]

GINOLJC, to all.
once again, God is the Originator of creation, meaning he's the CREATOR, got that. and he upholds all things, meaning he maintains all of his creations. got that also. including, as you say, the "poop", the "rocks" and "US". let us make man, now..... do you "poop?" yes or no.

as well as Good & evil, God is the Creator of it all, including you and your "poop".

101G.

101G, you boxed yourself in by attempting to make God a part of creation = the material world.

God is Spirit and HE maintains "all things" by His Spirit

"In Him all things consist" = HE is the Creator from which the Creation came into existence.

This does not mean nor imply that HE subjected Himself to BECOMING all things of His creation.

Comprende my amigo???

 

[dwight92070]

Did you miss the two simple questions:
A.) How many years did Adam live?
and
B.) Are they literal years or symbolic?

"So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years and he died". Genesis 9:29

There's absolutely no reason to think that they were symbolic years.

 

[dwight92070]

"So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years and he died". Genesis 9:29

There's absolutely no reason to think that they were symbolic years.

 

[DavidTree]

"So all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years and he died". Genesis 9:29

There's absolutely no reason to think that they were symbolic years.

AWESOME and Amen - Thank You

How many years did Adam fall short of 1,000 literal years = 70

Therefore, since Adam lived 930 literal years, why would you assume that the LORD is NOT willing that those whom HE resurrects in His Likeness from the Grave will "reign and rule with Christ for a literal 1,000 years"???

Take note that Adam fell short of a literal 1,000 years by 70 years.

 

[DavidTree]

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[MTMattie]

nope, all those titles are the same one person,,,,,, LOL, LOL, LOL. Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

so, you're busted.... next.

101G

Saints preserve us, or get me out of here... quick.

A single God.... YES

TWO who claimed the same ...

The Trinity? Gen. 1:26 & 27 and Exodus 3:14​

Isiah 44:6 I am the First and the Last 6 This is what the Lord says, the King of Israel and its Redeemer— the Lord of the Heavenly Armies is his name—

Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." This declaration by Jesus
Exodus 3:14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “This is what you shall say to the sons of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
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THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. BUT THEY ARE THE SAME GOD.

Twist it however you want , even you cannot change the truth.

 

[MTMattie]

let's see if this is true, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

is the PERSON in John 1:3 is the same one PERSON Isaiah 44:24? YES or NO.

here the LORD was ALONE, and by himself in Isaiah 44:24. and alone means "having no one else present".
checkmate.

101G.

So it really bothers you that in the four corners of the Holy Bible God says HE is the Redeemer and He created all things alone and by Himself and then further in the book Jesus is presented as the creator and Reedemer.

I will be as concise as I can because today, and tomorrow I simply have no time to spare.

You present Isaiah 44:24, "Thus says the Lord, you Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone."

You missed adding

Isaiah 45:12, "It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it, I stretched out the heavens with My hands, And I ordained all their host."

Oh boy... I just see you doing your happy got you dance....so lets not look at how this can be reconciled with Jesus being identified as the creator?

Lets look...

John 1:3, "All things came into being by Him, and apart (or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being."

and
Colossians 1:15, "For by Him all things were created, both in the in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones-all things have been created by Him and for Him."

Pretty bold statements for anyone to make ... yet we have two New Testament people doing so.

Maybe they both were so drunk on new wine that they were merely confused and did not know what their inspiration from above really meant.

Even God the Father stated, "And, Thou, Lord in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands." (Hebrews 1:10).

Or Revelation 3:14, "And to the angel in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God says this."

So lets summarize,

Fact: we have God saying He created the heavens and earth all alone and by Himself.

Fact: We also have Jesus being identified or presented as the creator and without Him nothing has come into being that has come into being. (John 1:3).

@101G
Can we conclude, based on these facts, that Jesus Christ must have existed before His incarnation as a man?

Yes or No!

NOW.... Lets talk about the elephant in the room.....

To you and those who "posit" only the Father is the one true God.

There has to be a reason, and it has to extend beyond what we all read in the bible as to why some of you keep trying to make "the Father" the ONLY reference to "God," when it is a term clearly employed throughout the New Testament to distinguish the Father in His "God-ness" from the Son in HIS same "God-ness" and the Holy Spirit from his self-same "God-ness."

Important note..... If "the Father" alone is God, there would be no need to distinguish Him as "the Father" and one would ONLY see the same continued metaphorical applications of that term. But you don't; God is NEVER ONCE identified as "the Father" in the Old Testament (other than in a collective and metaphorical sense).

Fact: He is constantly so distinguished in the New Testament. So why bother making the distinction if there is no distinction to be made? And yes, I read the reference at Deuteronomy 32:5. The point of the verse was to show how the people were so ungrateful and rebellious towards God that they did not appreciate the fact that they owed their existence and well-being to Him.

The Father of Christ is God. That is why Christ is God - He is the Son of God - who, like all sons bears the full ontological nature of His Father. If this is not so than the Bible is a lie or at best an incredibly bad case of special pleading requiring that in this ONE instance in all of the universe a son actually does NOT bear the full nature of His own Father.

 

[101G]

The Lord is asking the OT Jews and HE is challenging them to compare HIMSELF to any other god or person or kingdom.

The LORD had not yet descended from HEAVEN to the womb of Mary!!!

When the LORD comes to earth and after the Holy Spirit rests upon Him, Jesus then compares Himself to His FATHER.

you better look again, LISTEN and LEARN,Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
God here, capital "G" LISTEN,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397

now "god", small case "g" same definition, Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."

so capital G in God, or Lower case "g" God there is none beside him and he KNOW not any.... so you're reprove there.

now you said, "The LORD had not yet descended from HEAVEN to the womb of Mary!!!" your SECOND ERROR for today, the LORD NEVER "DESCENDED" from heaven, but the Lord did.

Question David, "now if the LORD descended from heaven to Mary's womb, who was uphold the universe?" because he that descended from heaven was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty.

so Dave who was upholding the universe while the LORD was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty. scripture to your answer please.

next, you said, "When the LORD comes to earth and after the Holy Spirit rests upon Him, Jesus then compares Himself to His FATHER." question, "are you saying Jesus is the "LORD?" yes or no."

will be looking to every question answer.

101G.

 

[101G]

101G, you boxed yourself in by attempting to make God a part of creation = the material world.

God is Spirit and HE maintains "all things" by His Spirit

"In Him all things consist" = HE is the Creator from which the Creation came into existence.

This does not mean nor imply that HE subjected Himself to BECOMING all things of His creation.

Comprende my amigo???

can you read? what did 101G say? "once again, God is the Originator of creation, meaning he's the CREATOR, got that. and he upholds all things, meaning he maintains all of his creations"

then you made this blunder, "God is Spirit and HE maintains "all things" by His Spirit" can you read? John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
NOW, if this is not the same "Spirit" then you have two "Spirits", and that.... by definition is polytheism.

"In Him all things consist" = HE is the Creator from which the Creation came into existence.
This does not mean nor imply that HE subjected Himself to BECOMING all things of His creation.
He, meaning the Lord Jesus, God, almighty, yes, so where did at anytime 101G said anything difference? give the post number please, ekse you're reproved again.


101G.

 

[101G]

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. BUT THEY ARE THE SAME GOD.

LOL, then you have two Gods, and b y definition that's polytheism.

Twist it however you want , even you cannot change the truth.

let 101G teach you something. LISTEN, there is only ONE who sits on the throne in heaven, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

ONLY "ONE" person sits on the throne in heaven. now listen,

Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

NOW MT is this not the Son who sits on the throne. but before you answer, read Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."


NOW, ..... your answer please "WHO SITS ON THE THRONE HERE IN REVELATION? your answer please.

101G

 

[DavidTree]

you better look again, LISTEN and LEARN,Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
God here, capital "G" LISTEN,
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397

now "god", small case "g" same definition, Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."

so capital G in God, or Lower case "g" God there is none beside him and he KNOW not any.... so you're reprove there.

now you said, "The LORD had not yet descended from HEAVEN to the womb of Mary!!!" your SECOND ERROR for today, the LORD NEVER "DESCENDED" from heaven, but the Lord did.

Question David, "now if the LORD descended from heaven to Mary's womb, who was uphold the universe?" because he that descended from heaven was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty.

so Dave who was upholding the universe while the LORD was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty. scripture to your answer please.

next, you said, "When the LORD comes to earth and after the Holy Spirit rests upon Him, Jesus then compares Himself to His FATHER." question, "are you saying Jesus is the "LORD?" yes or no."

will be looking to every question answer.

101G.

Why continue in unbelief?

Elohim is Plural = Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = Plurality measured by 3

Holy Holy Holy = 3

Lord God Almighty = 3

If God were a single identity the angels only need to say 'Holy' once, but instead it is 3 times

"To whom will you liken ME" = Echad Elohim

 

[101G]

Even God the Father stated, "And, Thou, Lord in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands." (Hebrews 1:10).

GOOD, now, LISTEN, Isaiah 51:13 "And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?"
ONE MORE,
Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

Now MT tell us who Laid the foundation of the earth? was it the Lord as Hebrew 1:10 states, or is it the "LORD", all caps as Isaiah 51:13, and Zechariah 12:1 clearly states? which one? LOOKING TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER.

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

can you read? what did 101G say? "once again, God is the Originator of creation, meaning he's the CREATOR, got that. and he upholds all things, meaning he maintains all of his creations"

then you made this blunder, "God is Spirit and HE maintains "all things" by His Spirit" can you read? John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
NOW, if this is not the same "Spirit" then you have two "Spirits", and that.... by definition is polytheism.

"In Him all things consist" = HE is the Creator from which the Creation came into existence.
This does not mean nor imply that HE subjected Himself to BECOMING all things of His creation.
He, meaning the Lord Jesus, God, almighty, yes, so where did at anytime 101G said anything difference? give the post number please, ekse you're reproved again.


101G.

Scripture is CLEAR

The FATHER created all things thru the SON

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

Who is the "HE" that was with God in the Beginning???


We must honor the SON just as we honor the FATHER = 3

FATHER = HE
SON = HE
HOLY SPIRIT = HE

The Scripture declares Elohim as "HE" = 3 times

 

[101G]

Elohim is Plural = Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = Plurality measured by 3

ERROR, your third ERROR of the Day, Listen and LEARN, if the Lord Jesus say God is a "HE" one person who made man will you believe the Lord Jesus? listen, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," read the verse for yourself, and please tell us how many is "HE?". your answer please.

101G

 

[DavidTree]

ERROR, your third ERROR of the Day, Listen and LEARN, if the Lord Jesus say God is a "HE" one person who made man will you believe the Lord Jesus? listen, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," read the verse for yourself, and please tell us how many is "HE?". your answer please.

101G

Scripture is CLEAR

The FATHER created all things thru the SON

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

Who is the "HE" that was with God in the Beginning???


We must honor the SON just as we honor the FATHER = 3

FATHER = HE
SON = HE
HOLY SPIRIT = HE

The Scripture declares Elohim as "HE" = 3 times

 

[101G]

The FATHER created all things thru the SON

your fourth ERROR of the Day, Listen and Learn, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

"ALONE" means, "having no one else present"

Dave, Dave, think man, if someone is "ALONE", and "BY ONESELF", there is no one else to go through. My God man THINK.

101G.

 

[MTMattie]

LOL, then you have two Gods, and b y definition that's polytheism.

let 101G teach you something. LISTEN, there is only ONE who sits on the throne in heaven, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

ONLY "ONE" person sits on the throne in heaven. now listen,

Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

NOW MT is this not the Son who sits on the throne. but before you answer, read Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 5:7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."


NOW, ..... your answer please "WHO SITS ON THE THRONE HERE IN REVELATION? your answer please.

101G

I am tired of reading the bible for you.

Rev 3:21 is the only one that counts.

The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.

 

[101G]

@DavidTree

I am tired of reading the bible for you.

Rev 3:21 is the only one that counts.

The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.

LOL, LOL, LOL, you reject scripture? listen, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." are you denying the scriptures, either he who sit "WITH" his, his, his, Father is ONE and the same person, else God, the bible, LIED... (God forbid). see MT the word "WITH" when it comes to the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY. see you grow tried because your false doctrine is being exposed verses by verse. just as DaveTree. when one is IGNORANT of God Holy Word, they get tired..... (smile). .

now, who sits on the throne in heaven now? ...... but since you are tired, 101G will answer, .... the Lord Jesus. see how easy that was. ..... (smile). YIKES!

101G

 

[MTMattie]

your fourth ERROR of the Day, Listen and Learn, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

"ALONE" means, "having no one else present"

Dave, Dave, think man, if someone is "ALONE", and "BY ONESELF", there is no one else to go through. My God man THINK.

101G.

I am not defending Dave, but the Father would not have to have anyone present to do the creating and making.

But at that you know He had someone in Genesis 1:26 or else He was the first of a very long line of dementia sufferers.

Truth. We have but 1 God, made up of 3 parts. Each with their own capabilities and directions.

 

[MTMattie]

@DavidTree

LOL, LOL, LOL, you reject scripture? listen, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." are you denying the scriptures, either he who sit "WITH" his, his, his, Father is ONE and the same person, else God, the bible, LIED... (God forbid). see MT the word "WITH" when it comes to the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY. see you grow tried because your false doctrine is being exposed verses by verse. just as DaveTree. when one is IGNORANT of God Holy Word, they get tired..... (smile). .

now, who sits on the throne in heaven now? ...... but since you are tired, 101G will answer, .... the Lord Jesus. see how easy that was. ..... (smile). YIKES!

101G

"WITH" when it comes to the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

That is the Catholic logic when they say and he knew her not until......... To prove that Mary stayed a virgin because I had weeks of that one and no matter what commentary, including the Catholic Bishops said they proved... beyond doubt...that until meansthat is the end. It stops there.

Yopu have too many areas in the bible that have them separated. That even you cannot make one from.

But I will ask you this.

IF
the Godhead is the same one person in DIVERSITY.

Who did resurrect Jesus?

After all... In the tomb God would have been dead... for a while anyway