T verses that he was eternal have been posted so often you should have them memorized. You dont read them so I wont post "THEM" for you again but here is an interesting question.
You are aware, I am sure , that when Mary was Pregnant and she went to see Elizabeth who was also pregnant, that Elizabeth got pregnant first. And John was born first, about 6 months before, then Jesus was born. You remember that right??????????????
Do you remember what John the Baptist said when Jesus came to him to be baptized?
15 John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, “This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’”
Do you know why???????? Do you have a clue???????????
Yes, I remember that. Well, it wasn't because Jesus preexisted John. . .
He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was '
superior to me' . . . before me as in RANK!
Leon Morris,
New International Critical Critical Commentary on John, p. 109: suggests "he [Jesus] was my Chief."
Schofield,
Authentic New Testament: "After me will come a man who ranks before me; for he is my superior"
[
protos mou - 1) first in time or place; a) in any succession of things or persons; 2) first in rank; a) influence, honour b)
chief c) principal 3) first, at the first]
I'll post scripture and let you think on what it says and why and then come back tomorrow and tell us all the Holy Scriptures lied again
Biblical Evidence of Jesus’ Pre-existence
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John 1:1-2: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.” This passage establishes Jesus as eternally existing.
Says nothing about Jesus preexisting . . . In the beginning was the the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The word was with God in the beginning.
God's creative speech was in the beginning - God's speech was with him and God's word was fully expressive of God.
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John 8:58: “Before Abraham was born, I am!” Jesus’ statement further underscores His existence outside normal human timelines.
Says nothing about Jesus literally preexisting . . . .Before Abraham was born, I am!
of course----Jesus was prophesied way before Abraham and thus Jesus was before Abraham in God's foreknowledge and plans . . . Genesis 3:15.
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Philippians 2:6-7: Shows that Christ was “in the form of God” prior to taking on human form.
Says nothing about Jesus preexisting . . . It's about attitude - having an attitude of humbleness CONTEXT.
Jesus emptied himself of his reputation as King of the Jews, as the Son of God, the Messiah . . . he relinquished his royal and priestly prerogatives and status and held the attitude of a servant. . . Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Together, these passages reinforce why
John 1:15 can declare that Jesus “was before” John, despite John’s earlier physical birth.
Physical Chronology vs. Eternal Being
From the accounts in
Luke 1, we see clearly that John was conceived and born before Jesus, placing him as the older cousin by about six months. However, the Gospels present Jesus as the Son of God, who existed with the Father “before the foundations of the world” (cf.
John 17:5). This eternal nature takes precedence over any earthly date of birth.
John the Baptist recognized this reality. Although John prepared the way for Jesus (
Matthew 3:1-3), he willingly acknowledged that the One who came after him in public ministry was actually His eternal Lord (
Matthew 3:11;
John 3:30).
But his brothers never had to empty themselves so in all this things is wrong.
Eternal being - An eternal being has no beginning and no end.
Jesus had a beginning recorded in the genealogy records in Matthew - his conception in Matthew, his conception and birth in Luke. Jesus had an end - He died upon a cross being the propitiation for the remission of sins and God raised him to eternal life - he did not inherently have eternal life.
Jesus preexisted in the foreknowledge and predetermined plan of God. Genesis 3:15 very first prophecy. Acts 2 - Jesus, the man, was delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God . . . 1 Peter 1 - Jesus was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you . . . Rev. 13:8 - the Lamb, Jesus, was slain 'from the foundation of the world.' - Jesus did not literally preexisted but he did preexist in the plan and foreknowledge of God.
So I guess all of that was the answer to my question----
What was he in his preexistent state? What was he doing?
