The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[Peterlag]

It doesn't matter that He didn't exist physically; what matters is that HE EXISTED!! (thank you for finally admitting that He existed before Adam and Eve.)

Now, back to John 1:14: the Word/Logos that/who existed before Creation (from eternity) left Heaven to take on flesh as a man that we know as Jesus the Christ. And this is the same Word/Logos that was with God and was God. Which means that the Jesus, the Word/Logos, is God.

No we can't get back to John 1:14 because you still have a reading problem which is why you can't understand the Bible. I did not finally admit that He existed before Adam. I said Jesus existed before anyone except for Adam...

 

[Doug Brents]

No we can't get back to John 1:14 because you still have a reading problem which is why you can't understand the Bible. I did not finally admit that He existed before Adam. I said Jesus existed before anyone except for Adam...

My apologies, I did indeed miss the word "except". Forgive me please.
But that brings up a serious question. Were Adam and Eve created?

 

[mikesw]

Even today in our country in English we still speak like that. We may say the word came down from upstairs meaning from the boss.

The trinitarian has only 3 to pick from...

1.) Use a verse from a bad translation.
2.) Use a verse that is taken out of context.
3.) Not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.

And basically that's all trinitarians have. And I mean 100 percent of what they have. They have nothing else.

all that is needed to prove unitarians wrong are the passages of the divine One who becomes incarnate as Jesus and the verses speaking of Jesus as God.
This is a great video revolving around the book that Rob Bowman has written

 

[Peterlag]

My apologies, I did indeed miss the word "except". Forgive me please.
But that brings up a serious question. Were Adam and Eve created?

No Adam and Eve were not created. They were born. Ask me if you want to know who their mother was.

 

[mikesw]

No Adam and Eve were not created. They were born. Ask me if you want to know who their mother was.

oh my. I wonder what the broader explanation will be of this. Is this a new, unique, gnostic doctrine of unitarians?

 

[Doug Brents]

No Adam and Eve were not created. They were born. Ask me if you want to know who their mother was.

That is not what Scripture tells us. God formed the earth into the body of Adam (Gen 2:7), then He breathed into the body a living spirit (also in Gen 2:7), and that was the man (Adam). Then He took a rib from the man and made it into a woman (Gen 2:21-22). Their bodies were made of the earth God had already created (man) and from the man (woman). But they were not "born".

But I would love to hear your cock and bull story about how you think they were "born", and who their "mother" was. That would make a great novel.