The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[civic]

He is also the Creator who existed before all created things as Scripture declares making Him once again equal with God since He is the Creator God.

The Son is before creation. Both Son and Father were together sharing the same Glory as God together with one another as per John 17:1-5 and John 17:24. This parallels John 1:1, Colossians 1:15-17, Hebrews 1:8-10, 1 Corinthians 8:6 and several other passages in scripture declaring His active role in Creation with the Father.


Hebrews 1:8-12.

But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.

hope this helps !!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, you will be taking your idolatry up with God. Guaranteed. Scripture says so. Prepare to be in the hot seat soon. Not a place you want to be. Quite foolish that you would dive headlong, willingly, into the hands of God who hates your unrepentant sin.

Deuteronomy 29
18Make sure there is no man or woman, clan or tribe among you today whose heart turns away from the LORD our God to go and worship the gods of those nations. Make sure there is no root among you that bears such poisonous and bitter fruit,
19because when such a person hears the words of this oath, he invokes a blessing on himself, saying, ‘I will have peace, even though I walk in the stubbornness of my own heart.’

This will bring disaster on the watered land as well as the dry. 20The LORD will never be willing to forgive him. Instead, His anger and jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse written in this book will fall upon him. The LORD will blot out his name from under heaven

Soon? You planning something yourself. I can walk away and let God be God. God between us.

 

[Runningman]

Soon? You planning something yourself. I can walk away and let God be God. God between us.

I do advise you to walk away from idolatry. So far it seems you have no plan for that.

 

[Runningman]

He is also the Creator who existed before all created things as Scripture declares making Him once again equal with God since He is the Creator God.

The Son is before creation. Both Son and Father were together sharing the same Glory as God together with one another as per John 17:1-5 and John 17:24. This parallels John 1:1, Colossians 1:15-17, Hebrews 1:8-10, 1 Corinthians 8:6 and several other passages in scripture declaring His active role in Creation with the Father.


Hebrews 1:8-12.

But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
10 He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.

hope this helps !!!

Have you ever read Psalm 45 before? That chapter says that the one they are talking about is a human king, most likely Solomon according to scholars. Solomon is God in your religion?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I do advise you to walk away from idolatry. So far it seems you have no plan for that.

Jesus Christ is the love of my life. You're telling me to walk away from my Master. No chance.

 

[civic]

Have you ever read Psalm 45 before? That chapter says that the one they are talking about is a human king, most likely Solomon according to scholars. Solomon is God in your religion?

Have you ever read the passages I quoted ?

Evidently not since you fled from them like the plague

 

[Runningman]

Jesus Christ is the love of my life. You're telling me to walk away from my Master. No chance.

You can obey Jesus without making him into an idol.

 

[Runningman]

Have you ever read the passages I quoted ?

Evidently not since you fled from them like the plague

Yes, you refuted yourself in quoting Scripture. The context doesn't support the conclusion you provided. That's why I am telling you to go back and take another look at Psalm 45 because it's not about Jesus.

 

[civic]

Yes, you refuted yourself in quoting Scripture. The context doesn't support the conclusion you provided. That's why I am telling you to go back and take another look at Psalm 45 because it's not about Jesus.

No they all affirm He is Eternal just like the Father is eternal. Same God, same creation and same eternality.

Next fallacy

 

[praise_yeshua]

You can obey Jesus without making him into an idol.

You want me to treat Jesus like you treat your father.

Not going to do it. The way I treat Jesus is the exactly the way that the Father will treat me.

I will treat them as equals because that is exactly what they are. Jesus gave Himself for me. God dying for me.

You didn't die for me. Even if you could you would just be "dead". It wouldn't be meaningful to the point of redeeming me.

At so many levels you want to be just like Jesus and you're never going to be identical to Jesus. You crave it. You do so many evil things to make others believe you're just like Jesus. To desire to make yourself believe that you're just like Jesus.

If you were actually like Jesus, you wouldn't need Jesus. You don't want Jesus anyways. You see nothing in Jesus that you can't get from someone else. I do. I see Christ dying for me when the Father didn't do it Himself.

Now before you take what I just said and "run with it".....

The Father suffered along with His Son for me. For you to understand this, you must know the teachings of what we reference as the "Holy Trinity".

Your idol is your own imagination. Something you created yourself.

 

[civic]

You want me to treat Jesus like you treat your father.

Not going to do it. The way I treat Jesus is the exactly the way that the Father will treat me.

I will treat them as equals because that is exactly what they are. Jesus gave Himself for me. God dying for me.

You didn't die for me. Even if you could you would just be "dead". It wouldn't be meaningful to the point of redeeming me.

At so many levels you want to be just like Jesus and you're never going to be identical to Jesus. You crave it. You do so many evil things to make others believe you're just like Jesus. To desire to make yourself believe that you're just like Jesus.

If you were actually like Jesus, you wouldn't need Jesus. You don't want Jesus anyways. You see nothing in Jesus that you can't get from someone else. I do. I see Christ dying for me when the Father didn't do it Himself.

Now before you take what I just said and "run with it".....

The Father suffered along with His Son for me. For you to understand this, you must know the teachings of what we reference as the "Holy Trinity".

Your idol is your own imagination. Something you created yourself.

If a person cannot love the Son in the same way they claim to love the Father then they cannot know or love either One. Its nothing but a facade. Jesus made that clear in His teachings as did the Apostles. The the uni's are blind to His commands and the Apostles. As Jesus said seeing they do not see and hearing they do not hear. Its a spiritual blindness to the truth and the very One who is the Truth Himself. No Son equals no Father. Denying the Son is the same as denying the Father. He who has seen the Son has seen the Father. They are One is nature, purpose, being, character etc.... Yet the uni denies it and cannot see it. Its the modern version of Jesus time with the Pharisees.

 

[Runningman]

You want me to treat Jesus like you treat your father.

Not going to do it. The way I treat Jesus is the exactly the way that the Father will treat me.

I will treat them as equals because that is exactly what they are. Jesus gave Himself for me. God dying for me.

You didn't die for me. Even if you could you would just be "dead". It wouldn't be meaningful to the point of redeeming me.

At so many levels you want to be just like Jesus and you're never going to be identical to Jesus. You crave it. You do so many evil things to make others believe you're just like Jesus. To desire to make yourself believe that you're just like Jesus.

If you were actually like Jesus, you wouldn't need Jesus. You don't want Jesus anyways. You see nothing in Jesus that you can't get from someone else. I do. I see Christ dying for me when the Father didn't do it Himself.

Now before you take what I just said and "run with it".....

The Father suffered along with His Son for me. For you to understand this, you must know the teachings of what we reference as the "Holy Trinity".

Your idol is your own imagination. Something you created yourself.

Jesus can still be your Lord and Savior without being your idol. That's what Scripture teaches. All you need to do is follow the Bible and make the Father your exclusive God. That's what I do and I am doing well. I will inherit eternal life, my sins are forgiven, I have an outstanding relationship with God, I get my prayers answered, I've seen miracles happen. You're free to follow your own path if you wish. As for me, I'll just stick with Christianity.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus can still be your Lord and Savior without being your idol. That's what Scripture teaches. All you need to do is follow the Bible and make the Father your exclusive God. That's what I do and I am doing well. I will inherit eternal life, my sins are forgiven, I have an outstanding relationship with God, I get my prayers answered, I've seen miracles happen. You're free to follow your own path if you wish. As for me, I'll just stick with Christianity.

I'm concerned that you are perceiving these miracles as confirmation of your doctrine. However, it does not matter how many miracles you think you encounter, those should not be deemed to confirm your novel doctrines opposing the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. Unique, novel, private doctrines must be presented in a convincing way to a broader theological community to ensure they are not just the result of confirmation bias to your original expectation of a non-divine concept of Christ.

 

[Runningman]

I'm concerned that you are perceiving these miracles as confirmation of your doctrine. However, it does not matter how many miracles you think you encounter, those should not be deemed to confirm your novel doctrines opposing the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. Unique, novel, private doctrines must be presented in a convincing way to a broader theological community to ensure they are not just the result of confirmation bias to your original expectation of a non-divine concept of Christ.

They're confirmation that I am on the right path because I honor God the way the Bible says to.

 

[mikesw]

They're confirmation that I am on the right path because I honor God the way the Bible says to.

so you think scripture endorses your view despite specifically showing the deity of Christ over and over and over again? Really. You are in such a depth of deception that it is sad to see you promote this false doctrine.

Indeed you will find confirmation no matter what failures of your doctrine are exposed. That is what is so sad here.