The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[FreeInChrist]

You have no victory to celebrate. You simply contradict the words of Jesus. And when you do that, you are the LOSER, NOT the VICTOR.

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up ... But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:19-21

You should ask the Rman why the veil in the temple was ripped from top to bottom.

This is, in fact, another proof that Jesus is God. Because we know that the Scriptures tell us that God raised Jesus AND Jesus raised Himself. Therefore Jesus IS GOD.

You can twist, pervert, and misinterpret the Scripture all you want, which only hurts yourself in the end, but you can't make them say what you want them to say.

Jesus WINS, you LOSE.

 

[civic]

You should ask the Rman why the veil in the temple was ripped from top to bottom.

That would take understanding spiritual things given by the Spirit , not by his human understanding and reasoning.

 

[dwight92070]

Yes I have a victory. That's why I post threads like this.

After Jesus died, no one in the entire New Testament said Jesus resurrected himself because Jesus didn't resurrect himself. Everyone knew that Jesus was speaking a prophecy of a resurrection he would receive.

Jesus' words were true, even after He died. He prophesied that He would raise Himself, and being God, He did exactly that.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus' words were true, even after He died. He prophesied that He would raise Himself, and being God, He did exactly that.

No one in the Bible agrees with you. Please show even one verse where anyone went around the Roman empire teaching anyone that Jesus resurrected himself.

 

[DavidTree]

David, you said "Without THREE Elohim you cannot be SAVED" several comments ago. You should rescind your false gospel since this is not what the Bible says. I just showed you the real gospel above and you seemed to have swatted it away in your vain efforts to push your false one. As you can see, it won't be that easy for you. I don't just let things go or lay down and let the gospel get trampled by heretics. If I can do something about it, then I will.

So do you believe that Jesus is God's begotten Son? Do you believe the one and only true God, the Father, sent Jesus? Do you believe he died and was resurrected by God?

The Gospel begins in Genesis chapter 1 with ELOHIM as THREE

 

[civic]

Jesus' words were true, even after He died. He prophesied that He would raise Himself, and being God, He did exactly that.

Just another example of denying Jesus

 

[Runningman]

The Gospel begins in Genesis chapter 1 with ELOHIM as THREE

Elohim is never defined as three in Genesis or elsewhere.

 

[civic]

Elohim is never defined as three in Genesis or elsewhere.

Oh just like he is never defined as 1 divine person .

Next fallacy

 

[FreeInChrist]

That would take understanding spiritual things given by the Spirit , not by his human understanding and reasoning.

Oh....

 

[civic]

Oh....

These truths escape the Unitarians mind/ heart.

 

[FreeInChrist]

These truths escape the Unitarians mind/ heart.

Well, I keep trying to drum it into their minds..... but you are right.

Thought cannot seem to keep my mouth closed.

 

[Runningman]

Oh just like he is never defined as 1 divine person .

Next fallacy

God is 1 divine person.

Genesis 1
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them

Kindly note, God is a His, Him, He in the Bible, but never a they or them.

Next fallacy.

 

[civic]

God is 1 divine person.

Genesis 1
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them

Kindly note, God is a His, Him, He in the Bible, but never a they or them.

Next fallacy.

Nope one divine person is nowhere in the Bible

Next fallacy

 

[Runningman]

Nope one divine person is nowhere in the Bible

Next fallacy

God is always referred to as one person and refers to Himself as one person in the Bible. The "Elohim is 3" argument isn't a very good one. People are also called elohim in the Bible. I hope you don't believe that means 1 human is secretly 3 persons. @DavidTree

 

[civic]

God is always referred to as one person and refers to Himself as one person in the Bible. The "Elohim is 3" argument isn't a very good one. People are also called elohim in the Bible. I hope you don't believe that means 1 human is secretly 3 persons. @DavidTree

Nope never once is that ever said in the Bible.

Quote the verse where the Bible says:

“ God is one person “

The circular reasoning is what you are guilty of , oh the irony.

Next fallacy

 

[Anja]

Circular image of the Trinity

 

[DavidTree]

God is always referred to as one person and refers to Himself as one person in the Bible. The "Elohim is 3" argument isn't a very good one. People are also called elohim in the Bible. I hope you don't believe that means 1 human is secretly 3 persons. @DavidTree

The One Person that walked with Adam & Eve and appeared to Moses is The WORD that was God and became JESUS.

No one comes to the FATHER but thru ME = LORD JESUS CHRIST

 

[DavidTree]

Elohim is never defined as three in Genesis or elsewhere.

Elohim is defined as THREE beginning in Genesis chapter 1 and then portrayed in allegorical form in Abraham/Isaac/Jacob

 

[AaronH]

Colossians 2:8-9 KJV - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Even that passage really isn't terribly clear in proving Jesus' divinity is it? I mean, it could have been much clearer.

And here's the thing:

God is clear on many claims in the Bible. He could also have been extremely clear about the truth of the trinity. He could have said "God is composed of three parts: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three are God. Yet all three are One." It would still be a bit mysterious, but at least it would be clear.

But he didn't. Why? Is AaronH from a message board on the internet more capable of revealing a doctrine than God? Of course not!

At the very least, the Trinity doctrine is not central to the bible. Not even close. If you want to believe it, go ahead, but it's not central.

 

[mikesw]

Even that passage really isn't terribly clear in proving Jesus' divinity is it? I mean, it could have been much clearer.

And here's the thing:

God is clear on many claims in the Bible. He could also have been extremely clear about the truth of the trinity. He could have said "God is composed of three parts: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three are God. Yet all three are One." It would still be a bit mysterious, but at least it would be clear.

But he didn't. Why? Is AaronH from a message board on the internet more capable of revealing a doctrine than God? Of course not!

At the very least, the Trinity doctrine is not central to the bible. Not even close. If you want to believe it, go ahead, but it's not central.

It is a fallacious human expectation that God provides all knowledge of him either through the scripture or readily discerned through the scripture. I think a proverb mentions that the king searches out the deep understanding and sayings.

Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; but the glory of kings is to search out a matter."

Unitarians just scratch the surface and say they know God.