The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[DavidTree]

I am sure all of you trinitarians have noticed by now, but the Trinity doctrine and all of its supporting doctrines are entirely circular in reasoning.

Did you ever notice how you all always begin with a presumption of a trinity god, you list all of your reasons why, but it always circles back to the beginning, all the way to square one, when asked where there is a working example of the trinity in action or someone at least defining the God of the Bible as three, a they, or them? Yet no one in all of history has been able to find that.

Consider the following common arguments produced by trinitarians, just to name a few:
"Jesus is a God-Man"
"Jesus is 100% man and 100% God"
"Jesus resurrected himself"
"Jesus pre-existed his birth"
"Jesus is the Word"
"God incarnated"

Yet the Bible doesn't say any of those things. There is no example of anyone saying Jesus is a God-Man, no examples of Jesus resurrecting himself or anyone saying he did, no examples of him pre-existing in the Old Testament either saying or doing anything. he was never called the Word, and the Bible never says Jesus incarnated.

Everything the trinitarian says begs the question: Why does the Bible never say what you say???

So what happened to all of these trinitarian people? What are they seeing that God, Jesus, the prophets, the disciples, and the early church didn't even talk about?

Can any one answer one or more of these questions:

Where in the Bible does anyone ever define God as three persons in one God?​

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Trinitarians claim the Trinity is central to Christianity. Why is it that there is not one example of it being taught to anyone in Acts or elsewhere in the New Testament? Why not the Old Testament?​

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Why do the inspired writers everywhere speak of God like a single person, i,e,. He, Him, His, but never as a they or them?​

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Why does terminology, or something similar, that says "Jesus is 100% God and 100% man" never appear in the Bible?​

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Why did no one say Jesus resurrected himself after he died?​

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If Jesus pre-existed as either the Word, or God, or a member of the trinity, why does the Bible never say that and why are there no examples of such in the Old Testament?​

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Why did the apostles always call Jesus "the man" (1 Tim. 2:5), "the Son of Man," or "the Son of God," but never "God the Son?"​

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If the early church really did believe in a Trinity then why were the early centuries filled with disputes regarding who Jesus was with the result not being codified into the Catholic church until the mid-to-late 4th century?​

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Why did they not agree the Holy Spirit is a 3rd member of the trinity until the late 4th century?​

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Why do Trinitarians rely heavily on extra-biblical words/phrases (Trinity, hypostatic union, God-man, incarnate, consubstantial, etc) instead of just using the words/phrases the Bible uses?​

The Holy Spirit 'runs' circles around your unbelief = you are surrounded and cannot get out but thru the Power of God.

You cannot receive the Power of God but thru JESUS.

The Power of God, for us, is the Holy Spirit.

Without THREE Elohim you cannot be SAVED

 

[Runningman]

The Holy Spirit 'runs' circles around your unbelief = you are surrounded and cannot get out but thru the Power of God.

You cannot receive the Power of God but thru JESUS.

The Power of God, for us, is the Holy Spirit.

Without THREE Elohim you cannot be SAVED

Not what Jesus said. Either he didn't get your memo or you're wrong. Sorry, I will just stick with what Jesus taught.

Believing in Him who sent Jesus is required to be saved:

John 5
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

You know believe the Father, who is the only true God, sent Jesus:

John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.


Do you believe the Father is the Only True God who sent Jesus?

 

[Runningman]

All of this has been refuted ad infinitum. Apparently Runningham wants to go back to the beginning and rehash and reargue his false doctrine. So who's the one being circular here? That would be Runningham. I for one, will not bite. I have better things to spend my time on than to try to convince someone who denies the truth about the Trinity and the Deity of Jesus. A denial of the Deity of Jesus is a denial of the Trinity and vice-versa.

I was just taking a victory lap. This is just here as your daily reminder.

 

[DavidTree]

Not what Jesus said. Either he didn't get your memo or you're wrong. Sorry, I will just stick with what Jesus taught.

Believing in Him who sent Jesus is required to be saved:

John 5
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

You know believe the Father, who is the only true God, sent Jesus:

John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.


Do you believe the Father is the Only True God who sent Jesus?

If you believed the words of the LORD you would embrace the Truth and the Truth would set you FREE

 

[Runningman]

If you believed the words of the LORD you would embrace the Truth and the Truth would set you FREE

Jesus didn't say what you said regarding salvation.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus didn't say what you said regarding salvation.

Sure He did = read the Gospel of John

 

[Runningman]

Sure He did = read the Gospel of John

which chapter or verse.

 

[DavidTree]

which chapter or verse.

It is the MESSAGE of the Gospel.

Therefore you must pray, read and pray again as you go forward with Christ in His GOSPEL.

 

[Runningman]

It is the MESSAGE of the Gospel.

Therefore you must pray, read and pray again as you go forward with Christ in His GOSPEL.

You preach a false gospel that can't save you.

 

[e v e]

I am sure all of you trinitarians have noticed by now, but the Trinity doctrine and all of its supporting doctrines are entirely circular in reasoning.

Did you ever notice how you all always begin with a presumption of a trinity god, you list all of your reasons why, but it always circles back to the beginning, all the way to square one, when asked where there is a working example of the trinity in action or someone at least defining the God of the Bible as three, a they, or them? Yet no one in all of history has been able to find that.

Consider the following common arguments produced by trinitarians, just to name a few:
"Jesus is a God-Man"
"Jesus is 100% man and 100% God"
"Jesus resurrected himself"
"Jesus pre-existed his birth"
"Jesus is the Word"
"God incarnated"

Yet the Bible doesn't say any of those things. There is no example of anyone saying Jesus is a God-Man, no examples of Jesus resurrecting himself or anyone saying he did, no examples of him pre-existing in the Old Testament either saying or doing anything. he was never called the Word, and the Bible never says Jesus incarnated.

Everything the trinitarian says begs the question: Why does the Bible never say what you say???

So what happened to all of these trinitarian people? What are they seeing that God, Jesus, the prophets, the disciples, and the early church didn't even talk about?

Can any one answer one or more of these questions:

Where in the Bible does anyone ever define God as three persons in one God?​

​

Trinitarians claim the Trinity is central to Christianity. Why is it that there is not one example of it being taught to anyone in Acts or elsewhere in the New Testament? Why not the Old Testament?​

​

Why do the inspired writers everywhere speak of God like a single person, i,e,. He, Him, His, but never as a they or them?​

​

Why does terminology, or something similar, that says "Jesus is 100% God and 100% man" never appear in the Bible?​

​

Why did no one say Jesus resurrected himself after he died?​

​

If Jesus pre-existed as either the Word, or God, or a member of the trinity, why does the Bible never say that and why are there no examples of such in the Old Testament?​

​

Why did the apostles always call Jesus "the man" (1 Tim. 2:5), "the Son of Man," or "the Son of God," but never "God the Son?"​

​

If the early church really did believe in a Trinity then why were the early centuries filled with disputes regarding who Jesus was with the result not being codified into the Catholic church until the mid-to-late 4th century?​

​

Why did they not agree the Holy Spirit is a 3rd member of the trinity until the late 4th century?​

​

Why do Trinitarians rely heavily on extra-biblical words/phrases (Trinity, hypostatic union, God-man, incarnate, consubstantial, etc) instead of just using the words/phrases the Bible uses?​

no.

you just don't get the real version,

-- which the vatican made an intentional mess of, so not your fault. they twisted 'nature' as a term, and turned God into a weird version.

God has a nature and everything of Him has His signature , of His nature. just as in the current physics 'nature' is predictable. all life has a dna. (analogy)


His actual son and His spirit have his nature.

it's a poor analogy but human children have the dna of their father. the same type of nature, and easy to determine who the father is. Not all humans have the same nature. So dna indicates a different family.

again poor analogy, sorry.

but Christ is His real son, therefore deity. God is deity and His son is just like Him.

-- but in a way where Christ was always in Him , not 'born' -

And His feminine spirit, always in Him. The son and His spirit always in Him.

His spirit and son are His hands. Of Him, since forever. As part of Him since before 'time' ...

Us: the kjv paints us as creatures. nope. that is a lie of a sorcery text. His words altered.

We are His sons and daughters. real. no adoption. We stepped right out of His spirit before this evil man arth prison started.

He is our father and will restore us to Him.
soon.

 

[e v e]

You preach a false gospel that can't save you.

God will get us out and restore us to eden and He sent His son to make it possible.

being rescued from here = being saved.

 

[e v e]

I am sure all of you trinitarians have noticed by now, but the Trinity doctrine and all of its supporting doctrines are entirely circular in reasoning.

Did you ever notice how you all always begin with a presumption of a trinity god, you list all of your reasons why, but it always circles back to the beginning, all the way to square one, when asked where there is a working example of the trinity in action or someone at least defining the God of the Bible as three, a they, or them? Yet no one in all of history has been able to find that.

Consider the following common arguments produced by trinitarians, just to name a few:
"Jesus is a God-Man"
"Jesus is 100% man and 100% God"
"Jesus resurrected himself"
"Jesus pre-existed his birth"
"Jesus is the Word"
"God incarnated"

Yet the Bible doesn't say any of those things. There is no example of anyone saying Jesus is a God-Man, no examples of Jesus resurrecting himself or anyone saying he did, no examples of him pre-existing in the Old Testament either saying or doing anything. he was never called the Word, and the Bible never says Jesus incarnated.

Everything the trinitarian says begs the question: Why does the Bible never say what you say???

So what happened to all of these trinitarian people? What are they seeing that God, Jesus, the prophets, the disciples, and the early church didn't even talk about?

Can any one answer one or more of these questions:

Where in the Bible does anyone ever define God as three persons in one God?​

​

Trinitarians claim the Trinity is central to Christianity. Why is it that there is not one example of it being taught to anyone in Acts or elsewhere in the New Testament? Why not the Old Testament?​

​

Why do the inspired writers everywhere speak of God like a single person, i,e,. He, Him, His, but never as a they or them?​

​

Why does terminology, or something similar, that says "Jesus is 100% God and 100% man" never appear in the Bible?​

​

Why did no one say Jesus resurrected himself after he died?​

​

If Jesus pre-existed as either the Word, or God, or a member of the trinity, why does the Bible never say that and why are there no examples of such in the Old Testament?​

​

Why did the apostles always call Jesus "the man" (1 Tim. 2:5), "the Son of Man," or "the Son of God," but never "God the Son?"​

​

If the early church really did believe in a Trinity then why were the early centuries filled with disputes regarding who Jesus was with the result not being codified into the Catholic church until the mid-to-late 4th century?​

​

Why did they not agree the Holy Spirit is a 3rd member of the trinity until the late 4th century?​

​

Why do Trinitarians rely heavily on extra-biblical words/phrases (Trinity, hypostatic union, God-man, incarnate, consubstantial, etc) instead of just using the words/phrases the Bible uses?​

Christ never argued with his followers about theology or trinity stuff...

not so important.

all that matters is going Home.

 

[e v e]

Ah ok, so you're a Trinitarian. Me personally, I just follow the religion of Jesus. He defined his and his disciples' God as the Father only. Think of it like this. Imagine it's 2025 and Jesus is here making disciples, but he just said and did the same things he did in the Bible. He would have been discipling people to believe in the Father as their God and to go on and teach others the same exact things Jesus taught them. That's it. Jesus wouldn't have made any Trinitarians. Actually, I have no doubt that you all would label him a heretic.

it's just that it's needed to clarify eden nature.

where the vatican used platonic substance as the connection of three entities ---

intentionally hiding our eden family.

 

[DavidTree]

You preach a false gospel that can't save you.

How is a person saved???

 

[DavidTree]

which chapter or verse.

Beginning in chapter 1 and ending in Revelation

 

[civic]

Beginning in chapter 1 and ending in Revelation

Amen !!!

 

[civic]

You preach a false gospel that can't save you.

I see you are projecting again- a false christ/god equals a false gospel. No ifs, ands or buts about that fact.

Besides the above Paul and Jesus in many places confront the Judaizers/Pharisees and their bondage to the law and rituals and the gospel frees them from such unitarian/pharisaical bondage.

 

[Runningman]

How is a person saved???

Beginning in chapter 1 and ending in Revelation

Amen !!!

I see you are projecting again- a false christ/god equals a false gospel. No ifs, ands or buts about that fact.

Besides the above Paul and Jesus in many places confront the Judaizers/Pharisees and their bondage to the law and rituals and the gospel frees them from such unitarian/pharisaical bondage.

David, you said "Without THREE Elohim you cannot be SAVED" several comments ago. You should rescind your false gospel since this is not what the Bible says. I just showed you the real gospel above and you seemed to have swatted it away in your vain efforts to push your false one. As you can see, it won't be that easy for you. I don't just let things go or lay down and let the gospel get trampled by heretics. If I can do something about it, then I will.

So do you believe that Jesus is God's begotten Son? Do you believe the one and only true God, the Father, sent Jesus? Do you believe he died and was resurrected by God?

 

[dwight92070]

I was just taking a victory lap. This is just here as your daily reminder.

You have no victory to celebrate. You simply contradict the words of Jesus. And when you do that, you are the LOSER, NOT the VICTOR.

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up ... But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:19-21

This is, in fact, another proof that Jesus is God. Because we know that the Scriptures tell us that God raised Jesus AND Jesus raised Himself. Therefore Jesus IS GOD.

You can twist, pervert, and misinterpret the Scripture all you want, which only hurts yourself in the end, but you can't make them say what you want them to say.

Jesus WINS, you LOSE.

 

[Runningman]

You have no victory to celebrate. You simply contradict the words of Jesus. And when you do that, you are the LOSER, NOT the VICTOR.

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up ... But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:19-21

This is, in fact, another proof that Jesus is God. Because we know that the Scriptures tell us that God raised Jesus AND Jesus raised Himself. Therefore Jesus IS GOD.

You can twist, pervert, and misinterpret the Scripture all you want, which only hurts yourself in the end, but you can't make them say what you want them to say.

Jesus WINS, you LOSE.

Yes I have a victory. That's why I post threads like this.

After Jesus died, no one in the entire New Testament said Jesus resurrected himself because Jesus didn't resurrect himself. Everyone knew that Jesus was speaking a prophecy of a resurrection he would receive.