The Poverty : Gospel

[Bronson]

Again what you posted, has no relationship to reality. @Bronson

So, let me show you what happens if you don't obey Hebrews 13:9.

This verse teaches that you must establish your heart with "Grace".

If you own a Bible, read the verse..

Now, What is that = Grace?
That is the understanding that Jesus is Salvation, Jesus is Eternal Life.. Jesus is The Resurrection, and Jesus is Sanctification, and Jesus is Redemptions.... and all that has no relationship to water, works, or confessing sin or trying to keep law and commandments.

And when a believer does not get their heart of REAL FAITH, established in God's Grace, as instructed by Hebrews 13:9.... then a "doctrine of devils"... will get your mind., and you'll end up in a cult theology as your belief system.

Thank you again for proving my point in once again taking Hebrews 13:9 out of context. If you have access to a bible or If you are able to find one online. Try reading it and let soak into your mind.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-poverty-gospel.1663/post-77453

 

[Behold]

Thank you again for proving my point in once again taking Hebrews 13:9 out of context.

Just do what the verse says to do with your heart, and try not to let your opinion always run your faith.

And one more for you..

Paul told you to do this...

Philippians 3:17.

= Start now.

 

[koberstein]

Reader,


Lets say that a young mother ......is not born again, and they have 6 young children.
She is 25 yrs old, and her husband left her, after #6 was yet to be born.
Two of the Children are Twins., the boys...... and 4 are little girls.
'Mary" is dirt poor and on food stamps....and the children are dressed in rags, none of them are over 6, and often they are barefoot in the winter.

So, on one side of Mary, is a Christian family, who believes that if they are starving (and so are their 3 children), then that is a "Godly sign of Spirituality".
They teach and preach the "poverty gospel" as their faith, even tho the Bible teaches that "Poverty is the destruction of the poor".

On the other side of Mary, is a family of Believers, and they have been blessed abundantly beyond measure, and they give some of their money into the work of God, and He's keeps giving them more of His money, through them.
They have the favor of God on them, and Jesus said, I have come to "give you life, and that more abundantly".

So, Mary the young single mother, and her 6 children, need a new furnace., and its winter and they are very cold in their wood frame house that has no funace heat.

1.) So, she goes to the "poverty gospel Christians" and says...>"can you help us"?
And the Poverty Gospel Christians say...>"...oh...would that we could..... but we have nothing we can give you, and we too are freezing every winter, but God is well pleased.. and ... God bless.""""".

And Mary says......'"ummmm, ok, thanks".

2.) Then Mary goes to the other Christian neighbors, and says... "Can you help me and my children, we are so cold"'..
And the Christian man and wife invite her in for a moment, and they listen... and they say......" Mary, hon....you are coming here to stay with us, right now.....and your children also. And we'll put sleeping bags on the carpeted floors and find a way to keep us all warm, and tomorrow, we'll call the Furnace Specialist and have them come and repair... or put in a new furnace in for you, and we'll see about helping you pay off your mortgage also.. And we'll go shopping tomorrow for some socks and shoes for your kids"...Now Mary, we are here for you, we are your new family, because God loves you and so do we.".


Now reader.

Are you paying attention?

Then....You've already seen what i wanted you to see.

- God bless.

I seen the poverty gospel also practiced at Baptist churches. I reacted the way the other family in your article. A poor woman who is a good friend of ours attended this Baptist church with her late husband for decades. The poor woman was wearing 15 year old hearing aids and was stone deaf. She couldn't afford new hearing aids and went to her church for help in getting new hearing aids. There said they couldn't afford to help her at all. It wasn't in their budget. Upon hearing this we took the woman to the hearing aid specialist that my wife goes to for a hearing test. The test revealed that her hearing was worse than she imagined. I told her to select new hearing aides that she felt comfortable with that cost was not an issue. My wife and I paid for her new hearing aids that day. I believe it blessed us more than it did her. I believe everyone should do a Mitzvah (a good deed) and maybe our world would be a better place to live.
Shalom

 

[Behold]

I seen the poverty gospel also practiced at Baptist churches. I reacted the way the other family in your article. A poor woman who is a good friend of ours attended this Baptist church with her late husband for decades. The poor woman was wearing 15 year old hearing aids and was stone deaf. She couldn't afford new hearing aids and went to her church for help in getting new hearing aids. There said they couldn't afford to help her at all. It wasn't in their budget. Upon hearing this we took the woman to the hearing aid specialist that my wife goes to for a hearing test. The test revealed that her hearing was worse than she imagined. I told her to select new hearing aides that she felt comfortable with that cost was not an issue. My wife and I paid for her new hearing aids that day. I believe it blessed us more than it did her. I believe everyone should do a Mitzvah (a good deed) and maybe our world would be a better place to live.
Shalom

Shalom,Shalom

Thank you for showing the Old Woman God's love.

And What you do for others, God will do for you....as that is how He does it, and it will manifest according to your need, in the right season.

Also....There is a lot of PRIDE that pretends to be "spirituality" within the walls of many churches and on Forums as well.


My Thread is just pointing out the fake, who are trying to, of their own self righteousness, be deemed more spiritual, and in fact, they are deemed less, as God knows their heart.

God our Father has no issue with wealth, and prosperity......and in fact, all our money, and everything we own is God's......and we just get to use it.
So, when we are prosperous, then that is HIS Prosperity that we are getting to enjoy.
And when we GIVE something to someone.....We are giving what belongs to God ... to them......and that is why He blesses it back to the giver.

God makes everything GROW.....with LIFE......and that includes HIS MONEY into our lives.

The Richest Man who ever lived was King David's Son.....Soloman,
And God Gave HIM the Wealth.

The verse says, that "its God who gives us power to get WEALTH", so that we came take God's wealth and be a BLESSING to others, as we have been blessed to do it.

We establish God's love in the hearts of unbelievers when we do for them, as God would have us give.

"well what if they are not good people".

Right.
God knows that better then we know it, and he said."Give to the poor"...

 

[koberstein]

Shalom,Shalom

Thank you for showing the Old Woman God's love.

And What you do for others, God will do for you....as that is how He does it, and it will manifest according to your need, in the right season.

Also....There is a lot of PRIDE that pretends to be "spirituality" within the walls of many churches and on Forums as well.


My Thread is just pointing out the fake, who are trying to, of their own self righteousness, be deemed more spiritual, and in fact, they are deemed less, as God knows their heart.

God our Father has no issue with wealth, and prosperity......and in fact, all our money, and everything we own is God's......and we just get to use it.
So, when we are prosperous, then that is HIS Prosperity that we are getting to enjoy.
And when we GIVE something to someone.....We are giving what belongs to God ... to them......and that is why He blesses it back to the giver.

God makes everything GROW.....with LIFE......and that includes HIS MONEY into our lives.

The Richest Man who ever lived was King David's Son.....Soloman,
And God Gave HIM the Wealth.

The verse says, that "its God who gives us power to get WEALTH", so that we came take God's wealth and be a BLESSING to others, as we have been blessed to do it.

We establish God's love in the hearts of unbelievers when we do for them, as God would have us give.

"well what if they are not good people".

Right.
God knows that better then we know it, and he said."Give to the poor"...

We don't own anything. Adonai owns it all and we are managers of His blessings. When we are good managers then He will bless us with more to the manage. We can be called into account at anytime.
Shalom

 

[Behold]

We don't own anything. Adonai owns it all and we are managers of His blessings. When we are good managers then He will bless us with more to the manage. We can be called into account at anytime.
Shalom

Yes.

Its interesting that most Protestant Churches, do not know that "giving to the poor", will bring God's help to you, when you are sick.

There are a lot of promises in the Bible, and none of them went away when Messiah was slain for the sin of the world.

Also, "sowing and reaping", is the same thing.......and that one is a double edged sword, as, it comes for the sower, no matter if they sow for good or for evil.
And that is not God Judging... that is the person reaping.. what they've sown.

 

[koberstein]

Shalom,Shalom

Thank you for showing the Old Woman God's love.

And What you do for others, God will do for you....as that is how He does it, and it will manifest according to your need, in the right season.

Also....There is a lot of PRIDE that pretends to be "spirituality" within the walls of many churches and on Forums as well.


My Thread is just pointing out the fake, who are trying to, of their own self righteousness, be deemed more spiritual, and in fact, they are deemed less, as God knows their heart.

God our Father has no issue with wealth, and prosperity......and in fact, all our money, and everything we own is God's......and we just get to use it.
So, when we are prosperous, then that is HIS Prosperity that we are getting to enjoy.
And when we GIVE something to someone.....We are giving what belongs to God ... to them......and that is why He blesses it back to the giver.

God makes everything GROW.....with LIFE......and that includes HIS MONEY into our lives.

The Richest Man who ever lived was King David's Son.....Soloman,
And God Gave HIM the Wealth.

The verse says, that "its God who gives us power to get WEALTH", so that we came take God's wealth and be a BLESSING to others, as we have been blessed to do it.

We establish God's love in the hearts of unbelievers when we do for them, as God would have us give.

"well what if they are not good people".

Right.
God knows that better then we know it, and he said."Give to the poor"...

Unfortunately the church failed its mantra of taking care of orphans and widows as outlined in the New Testament. This poor woman had tears streaming down her face when she thanked us. She said nobody has ever done anything like that for me.

 

[Behold]

Unfortunately the church failed its mantra of taking care of orphans and widows as outlined in the New Testament. This poor woman had tears streaming down her face when she thanked us. She said nobody has ever done anything like that for me.

Yes.

When we stop their suffering, we are the most like Father God and Jesus the Son.

That is what Jesus was always doing, when He was down here.
He was always stopping someone's suffering,...... as down here, there is little else to be found..
This world is High Gloss suffering., for the most part.
This world is very harsh, and its harshest on the Poor and the weak and the fearful and the abused.

Ive had arguments with people about giving to street people.

"well, they'll just take the money and buy Cigarettes or Booze, or drugs".
"So, are you being a good steward with God's money if you give to those people"?

Well.. //

Did Jesus heal only the good people ????? when "none are good, no not one"....., or did He heal everyone who asked Him for help, including Lepers, Romans, Whores, ect, ect.