The Issue of Limited Atonement

[TibiasDad]

Is the future set in stone given God's omniscience? In your view.

It is not that it is certain, it is whose choice necessitates that certainty. God can know what I will choose without having decreed it.

Doug

 

[Presby02]

It is not that it is certain, it is whose choice necessitates that certainty. God can know what I will choose without having decreed it.

Doug

I did not ask about control. I asked is the future set in stone?

So man controls what occurs in the future and God merely observes it?

I would assert that violates Gods aseity. His knowledge is not dependent on your foreseen choices.

 

[TomL]

Nope.

If a choice you make is foreknown and certain, can you choose otherwise?

You conflate certainty and necessity

 

[Presby02]

You conflate certainty and necessity

You did not answer the question.

If a choice is foreknown and certain can you choose otherwise?

Tom will now dodge this question which should be a no brainer

 

[TomL]

You did not answer the question.

If a choice is foreknown and certain can you choose otherwise?

Tom will now dodge this question which should be a no brainer

Wrong you will of course do what is foreknown

foreknowledge makes the act certain not necessary

 

[Presby02]

Wrong you will of course do what is foreknown

foreknowledge makes the act certain not necessary

Certain. Okay, so how is it you have a choice then if the chances of you choosing otherwise is zeeo.

 

[civic]

You conflate certainty and necessity

Yep conflating is the norm

 

[Presby02]

Certain. Okay, so how is it you have a choice then if the chances of you choosing otherwise

 

[Presby02]

Yep conflating is the norm

Instead of playing cheerleader, give a shot. Can you choose other than how God foreknows your going to choose?

 

[TomL]

Presby02 said:
Certain. Okay, so how is it you have a choice then if the chances of you choosing otherwise

Because foreknowledge does not determine the choice. It simply knows it ahead of time

 

[Presby02]

Because foreknowledge does not determine the choice. It simply knows it ahead of time

Great. Can you choose other than how God foreknows your going to choose?

 

[TomL]

Great. Can you choose other than how God foreknows your going to choose?

I already told you his knowledge is certain

 

[Presby02]

I already told you his knowledge is certain

So LFW is a fantasy. You cannot choose otherwise.

 

[TomL]

So LFW is a fantasy. You cannot choose otherwise.

No you simply reach a faulty conclusion

conflating as I noted certainty and necessity

 

[Presby02]

No you simply reach a faulty conclusion

conflating as I noted certainty and necessity

Nope. And you refuse to deal with the issue. Your choices are a illusion. They are foreknown and certain and you cannot choose otherwise.

LFW is a fantasy

 

[civic]

Nope. And you refuse to deal with the issue. Your choices are a illusion. They are foreknown and certain and you cannot choose otherwise.

LFW is a fantasy

Conflating and equivocating is your only answer since you have zero scripture for your assumption but instead use a philosophical question.

hmmmmm

 

[Presby02]

Conflating and equivocating is your only answer since you have zero scripture for your assumption but instead use a philosophical question.

hmmmmm

And the question continues to be dodged. The answer should be obvious.

 

[Presby02]

No you simply reach a faulty conclusion

conflating as I noted certainty and necessity

Continues to dodge the question.

 

[TomL]

Continues to dodge the question.

you are in denial

No you simply reach a faulty conclusion

conflating as I noted certainty and necessity

foreknowledge does not determine the act it simply knows of it

 

[civic]

you are in denial

No you simply reach a faulty conclusion

conflating as I noted certainty and necessity

foreknowledge does not determine the act it simply knows of it

Ditto