The Issue of Limited Atonement

[Presby02]

He determines truth; truth can be expressed by various uses of words, these being left to the individual writer.


Circular argument.


Doug

Yet Paul wrote absolute truth. The very word of God. What God determined His word to be. Yet he freely did so. Willingly. No force, no coercion.

Compatibilism 101

 

[civic]

Yet Paul wrote absolute truth. The very word of God. What God determined His word to be. Yet he freely did so. Willingly. No force, no coercion.

Compatibilism 101

strawman alert

you are comparing a select and unique person inspired by God and an Apostle who wrote about half of the books in our new testament with yourself.

an absurdity- how arrogant is that ?

to compare yourself with the Apostle Paul ?

yikes

no humility but human arrogance and pride.

I'll even bet you thing God humbled you instead of like the bible requires man must humble himself before God.


I'll get the popcorn ready for your answers.

 

[Presby02]

strawman alert

you are comparing a select and unique person inspired by God and an Apostle who wrote about half of the books in our new testament with yourself.

an absurdity- how arrogant is that ?

to compare yourself with the Apostle Paul ?

yikes

no humility but human arrogance and pride.

I'll even bet you thing God humbled you instead of like the bible requires man must humble himself before God.


I'll get the popcorn ready for your answers.

I wasn't comparing myself to Paul. LOL

Exactly. And He wrote freely, willingly what God had determined His word to be. Compatibilism 101

Same with Acts 4:27,28. They freely, willingly chose exactly as God planned and determined. More uniqueness? There piling up

Do you manage to eat one kernel?

 

[civic]

I wasn't comparing myself to Paul. LOL

Exactly. And He wrote freely, willingly what God had determined His word to be. Compatibilism 101

Same with Acts 4:27,28. They freely, willingly chose exactly as God planned and determined. More uniqueness? There piling up

Do you manage to eat one kernel?

nope because Paul in several places said I not the Lord says such and such. He distinguishes himself apart from the Lord many times. Synergism.

 

[Presby02]

nope because Paul in several places said I not the Lord says such and such. He distinguishes himself apart from the Lord many times. Synergism.

Yet it's God's word.

So not all of scripture is inspired?

Scripture = Compatibilism 101

 

[civic]

Yet it's God's word.

So not all of scripture is inspired?

Scripture = Compatibilism 101

nope Paul said things that Jesus did not teach him or command.

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[Presby02]

nope Paul said things that Jesus did not teach him or command.

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Yet it's God's word. Who inspired Him to write what he wrote?

Civic now denies the plenary inspiration of scripture.

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[civic]

Yet it's God's word. Who inspired Him to write what he wrote?

Civic now denies the plenary inspiration of scripture.

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nope I'm just pointing out what Paul actually said- I not the Lord say :

 

[Presby02]

nope I'm just pointing out what Paul actually said- I not the Lord say :

So what He wrote there is not the inspired word of God yes or no?

 

[civic]

So what He wrote there is not the inspired word of God yes or no?

did Paul know something Jesus didn't know ?

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[Presby02]

did Paul know something Jesus didn't know ?

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Notice civic cannot answer a question as simple as that. The answer is yes. LOL

God is omniscient, as are the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

[TibiasDad]

Notice civic cannot answer a question as simple as that. The answer is yes. LOL

God is omniscient, as are the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Omniscience does not necessitate meticulous predetermination.


Doug

 

[Presby02]

Omniscience does not necessitate meticulous predetermination.


Doug

Good thing no one says it does right?

What does it necessitate in your view??

 

[praise_yeshua]

Omniscience does not necessitate meticulous predetermination.


Doug

I would agree... but there is a "better way"....

 

[TibiasDad]

Good thing no one says it does right?

What does it necessitate in your view??

In your view, God is omniscient because he has determined all that will happen. That’s how he knows, because he determines reality. God cannot know otherwise.


Doug

 

[Presby02]

In your view, God is omniscient because he has determined all that will happen. That’s how he knows, because he determines reality. God cannot know otherwise.


Doug

I did not ask about my view. I asked about yours. What does .omniscience necessitate in your view, if anything?

Does it necessitate the future is set in stone? For instance.

 

[TibiasDad]

I did not ask about my view. I asked about yours. What does .omniscience necessitate in your view, if anything?

That he simply knows whatever is, can be and will be. This does not necessitate him directly decreeing the reality.


Doug

 

[Obadiah]

Divine omniscience is that perfection of God in virtue of which he knows everything.
Another way that omniscience has been defined is that it means knowing everything there is to know.

 

[Rockson]

In your view, God is omniscient because he has determined all that will happen. That’s how he knows, because he determines reality. God cannot know otherwise.

And you know what? I absolutely refuse to believe that God ordained and determined that Calvinists would find themselves in the state they're in....confused and misapplying the scriptures'. I believe that's their own doing. They may disagree with me on that and hold that it had to have been determined but I'll stand by my belief. God loves them just as much as he does me and if he wouldn't have done it to me he wouldn't have done it to them.

 

[Presby02]

That he simply knows whatever is, can be and will be. This does not necessitate him directly decreeing the reality.


Doug

Is the future set in stone given God's omniscience? In your view.