The Elect

[brightfame52]

No one is unconditionally in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (ESV) — 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

All are not Christs Offspring, He is Elect and so is His Offspring in Him. How does one become someones offspring in them ? How did Issach become the offspring of Abraham ?

 

[TomL]

somehow they call that benevolent. just another case of having to turn a blind eye to the very basic meaning of a word to uphold a doctrinal position one believes.

Well benevolence is not love

1 Corinthians 13:4–7 (ESV) — 4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

and God is love and is certainly no less loving than man

Fact is, we have a picture of love in the cross!

 

[brightfame52]

But you didn't

I think its a stupid question.

 

[TomL]

All are not Christs Offspring, He is Elect and so is His Offspring in Him. How does one become someones offspring in them ? How did Issach become the offspring of Abraham ?

Again without a personal relationship with Christ through faith no one is elect.

Election is in Christ.

We are elect in the son.

 

[TomL]

we were both burnt toast.

Yeah you went from buttered bread to burnt toast

 

[brightfame52]

Again without a personal relationship with Christ through faith no one is elect.

Election is in Christ.

We are elect in the son.

So Issacs became Abraham's offspring by his faith

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I never said I did and I can harmonize Gods love with everything else about who God declares Himself to be in Scripture.

So can I harmonize God's love with everything else, and yet we reach very different conclusions.

 

[praise_yeshua]

All are not the offspring of Christ. Just the Elect seed. And you are slandering me again

I told the truth. The truth isn't slanderous. Maybe to you it is.... Not in reality.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So can I harmonize God's love with everything else, and yet we reach very different conclusions.

Prove it. You can't. You can harmonize it in your imagination but that isn't real.

 

[brightfame52]

I told the truth. The truth isn't slanderous. Maybe to you it is.... Not in reality.

You slandered me again

 

[praise_yeshua]

All are not Christs Offspring, He is Elect and so is His Offspring in Him. How does one become someones offspring in them ? How did Issach become the offspring of Abraham ?

Just like every other person in Christ. By natural birth and faith.

You're are no different.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You slandered me again

You don't understand slander. If what I say is the Truth, and it is, then it is impossible for you to claim slander.

From your actions in endlessly claiming "slander", it is clear that you have no answers. Just endless claims that you are different without any evidence this is true. You're no different than any other offspring of Adam. ZERO.

 

[civic]

I think its a stupid question.

only because it opposes your view of God.

 

[TomL]

So Issacs became Abraham's offspring by his faith

So you imagine you are the physical offspring of Christ?

 

[brightfame52]

Prove it. You can't. You can harmonize it in your imagination but that isn't real.

Gods Love is discriminate, He Loves only some and hates the rest Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

And its only in Christ Jesus Rom 8 39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If people arent born into this world In Christ Jesus, God doesnt Love them

 

[brightfame52]

Just like every other person in Christ. By natural birth and faith.

You're are no different.

Thats false. You cant become ones seed by anything you do. How was Abel Adams seed ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Gods Love is discriminate, He Loves only some and hates the rest Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

And its only in Christ Jesus Rom 8 39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If people arent born into this world In Christ Jesus, God doesnt Love them

Doesn't that include you?

You words are self defeating.

 

[civic]

So can I harmonize God's love with everything else, and yet we reach very different conclusions.

Sure it depends on ones view of God and the doctrines they believe about God. This very question is what drove me to study who God is apart from His creation. What is God like as Triune, Trinity- Tri-Unity within His very own Being, Nature, Character.

Then once we understand who God is ( His Innate Character,attributes ) then we can understand Hos this God relates to His creation, creatures and from the vantage point of the fall. Those characteristics are not the same as His innate ones. They are conditioned on the fall and creation. Then one must harmonize them with Gods innate character. Until one looks at doctrine and God this way they will always be misled and have the tail wagging the dog.

hope this helps !!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Thats false. You cant become ones seed by anything you do. How was Abel Adams seed ?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

There is only one seed. Not seeds. The heir of Abraham is Jesus Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

So you imagine you are the physical offspring of Christ?

Huh ? Believers like Isaac are Abrahams seed of promise, and Christ doesnt have a physical offspring, its Spiritual Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Now how did Isaac become a child of promise ? Exactly what did he do ?