David Koberstein
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No I'm never bitter I am a wealthy healthy believer in Yeshua. You probably not so much.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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David Koberstein
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I'm more educated than you. The internet record reflects that the Unitarians are affiliated with the National Council of Unitarian Universalists. That's all I need to know about what abyss you crawled out of.
Runningman
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Mhmm. Ok. You're going to love my next thread. It'll be another teaching by Yeshua that only applies to the Father, not himself. Can you guess what it is?
Runningman
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No, they are not even related in the slightest.
David Koberstein
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It must be truth, because it's on the Internet fir all the world to view. Do I trust Google or you? That's an easy answer; Google
David Koberstein
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International groups
[edit]See also: International Council of Unitarians and Universalists
Some Unitarian Christian groups are affiliated with the International Council of Unitarians and Universalists (ICUU), founded in 1995.[75] The ICUU has "full member" groups in Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, EUU, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Indonesia, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Poland,[76] Romania, South Africa, Spain. Sri Lanka and the United States. Brazil is a Provisional Member.[77]
David Koberstein
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In the early 19th century, Unitarian Robert Wallace identified three particular classes of Unitarian doctrines in history:
- Arian, which believed in a pre-existence of the Logos;
- Socinian, which denied his pre-existence, but agreed that Christ should be worshipped;
- "Strict Unitarian", which, believing in an "incommunicable divinity of God", denied the worship of "the man Christ."[37][38]
Several tenets of Unitarianism overlap with the predominant Muslim view of Jesus and Islamic understanding of monotheism.[40]
David Koberstein
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Christology
[edit]Unitarians charge that the Trinity, unlike unitarianism, fails to adhere to strict monotheism. Unitarians maintain that Jesus was a great man and a prophet of God, perhaps even a supernatural being, but not God himself.[2] They believe Jesus did not claim to be God and that his teachings did not suggest the existence of a triune God.
Unitarian Christology can be divided according to whether or not Jesus is believed to have had a pre-human existence. Both forms maintain that God is one being and one person and that Jesus is the (or a) Son of God, but generally not God himself.[36]
David Koberstein
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Unitarianism (from Latin unitas 'unity, oneness') is a nontrinitarian branch of Christianity.[1] Unitarian Christians affirm the unitary nature of God as the singular and unique creator of the universe,[1] believe that Jesus Christ was inspired by God in his moral teachings and that he is the savior of humankind,[1][2][3] but he is not equal to God himself. Accordingly, Unitarians reject the Ecumenical Councils and ecumenical creeds, and sit outside traditional, main-stream Christianity.[1][2][4]
Runningman
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Yes that’s Unitarianism. Unitarian Universalists are a different non-Christian group. Name sounds similar, but they are not related to or affiliated with Christians. They are a non-Christian organization.
Examples of Unitarian groups would be Messianic Jews, Christians, Jesus and the original disciples, etc. They didn’t teach jack squat about a Trinity. We just believe the Father is our God because Jesus said so.
David Koberstein
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Liar!! I am a Messianic Jew
and I'm not part of satanic Unitarian group neither are most main stream Christian groups.You are a real low life!!
Runningman
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Which Messianic group do you belong to? I’m aware of none who believe YHWH’s messiah is God Himself. Very few Jewish scholars agree with what you’re proposing, too, for that matter.Liar!! I am a Messianic Jew
You are a real low life!!
David Koberstein
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Unlike, Christianity, There is only one Messianic group which is affiliated with Messianic Jewish Alliance of America and/or the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
You don't seem to be aware of much of anything except your Unitarian cult group. The only Jewish scholars that disagree about Yeshua is the Orthodox, Reformed and Conservative Judaism.Shabbat Shalom
Runningman
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You don't seem like much of a Christian. You're probably the most hateful person I've seen here.Unlike, Christianity, There is only one Messianic group which is affiliated with Messianic Jewish Alliance of America and/or the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
Shabbat Shalom
Runningman
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It's more than just communicating to someone and yes I know what prayer is. It's in regards to worship in spirit and truth and Jesus only ever taught about worshipping in spirit and truth for the Father. Did you know that?
David Koberstein
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I'm not a hateful.person. I have a very low tolerance of people lying and stealing.
You have been exposed by my previous
posts. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
civic
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someone has obviously not done their research lol.Unlike, Christianity, There is only one Messianic group which is affiliated with Messianic Jewish Alliance of America and/or the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations.
Shabbat Shalom
Pancho Frijoles
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Dear readers
The Bible presents in Acts 4:23-30 a good example of how apostles prayed.
Note that they addressed directly the The Father, The Creator, and how when they mentioned Jesus, they referred to Jesus as
1) the holy Son of that Creator God
2) the Messiah (Annointed) of that Creator God
3) the one that did what that Creator God had foreordained Him to do.
This is clear evidence that, regardless of if they spoke to Jesus at some valid circumstances, they prayed to God as The Father of Jesus.
In conclusion:
When praying, the apostles did not address God as a Supreme Council or Assembly. They addressed God as One Person: the Father of Jesus.
The Bible presents in Acts 4:23-30 a good example of how apostles prayed.
Note that they addressed directly the The Father, The Creator, and how when they mentioned Jesus, they referred to Jesus as
1) the holy Son of that Creator God
2) the Messiah (Annointed) of that Creator God
3) the one that did what that Creator God had foreordained Him to do.
On being released, they went to their own people and reported what the chief priests and elders had said to them. When they heard this, they lifted their voices in unity to God and prayed,
“Lord, You are God, who has made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them,
and who by the mouth of Your servant David said:
‘Why did the nations rage,
and the people devise vain things?
The kings of the earth came,
and the rulers were assembled together
against the Lord
and against His Christ.’
Indeed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were assembled together against Your holy Son Jesus whom You have anointed, to do what Your hand and Your counsel had foreordained to be done.
Now, Lord, look on their threats and grant that Your servants may speak Your word with great boldness, by stretching out Your hand to heal and that signs and wonders may be performed in the name of Your holy Son Jesus.”
This is clear evidence that, regardless of if they spoke to Jesus at some valid circumstances, they prayed to God as The Father of Jesus.
In conclusion:
When praying, the apostles did not address God as a Supreme Council or Assembly. They addressed God as One Person: the Father of Jesus.
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Runningman
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Below is a small sample of your foulness. We may disagree theologically, but God is clearly not your Father. It's very easy to see. I also plan to use this to aggressively repulse others against Trinitarianism. Thank you. When the enemy forms a weapon, may God use it for good.
