Praying to Jesus

[Runningman]

I believe I was refering to the fact

1 John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THAT which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

They did not see or handle or declare an impersonal thing

They saw, they handled Jesus Christ the son

Are you really that desperate that you would try to make the Christ you claim to love an impersonal thing

Your handling of scripture is atrocious.

Let's take this step by step. What was from the beginning and what beginning was John referring to?

 

[TomL]

Let's take this step by step. What was from the beginning and what beginning was John referring to?

Deal with the the point i raised

which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled

Are you going to say

They heard, saw, looked upon and handled an impersonal thing?

 

[TomL]

You won't find a verse where anyone is said to have "prayed" or said a "prayer" to Jesus or taught about praying to Jesus. The Bible is a Unitarian's book.

You have to ignore what constitutes prayer

and you have to ignore this as well

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

In others word closed to the truth

 

[TomL]

Your point was clarified by the fact Peter is a rock too. It's not a dodge. It's completely related to the proper exegesis of the verse you were referring to.

Sorry you are dodging again

The point you are avoiding is Christ followed the Israelites in the desert

Hellopeter has nothing to do with this

 

[e v e]

I believe I was refering to the fact

1 John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THAT which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

They did not see or handle or declare an impersonal thing

They saw, they handled Jesus Christ the son

Are you really that desperate that you would try to make the Christ you claim to love an impersonal thing

Your handling of scripture is atrocious.

and also @Runningman

in God's context His Word is not an IT... His Son is a Being... not an IT...

A gnostic was very adamant to me on a different forum that His Spirit is an IT
as well, and not a being. IT as concept is a evil realm entity for their "One" or "Mind" as head of their three hypostases,
since to the (pagan) Greeks Nous is a mind, knowledge, Reason, psuche (there are no individual souls in Greek pagan theology) ...
every use of psuche is always the 'carnal mind' or the "One" of the pagans. It was (accidentally?) made a synonym to soul or npsh,
since most do not realize there is only ONE soul in greek theology, which is their prime mover/One/Primary cause/Causality...

none of which terms are related to either God or to souls of Him. Psuche is not reflective of an eden soul, since it
has no 'body' and of course the soul and body God made in Eden are not ever to be separate once His Sons and daughters
are restored to eden paradise and, finally, Saved.... since that is the real meaning of Being Saved.