Praying to Jesus

I believe I was refering to the fact

1 John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THAT which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

They did not see or handle or declare an impersonal thing

They saw, they handled Jesus Christ the son

Are you really that desperate that you would try to make the Christ you claim to love an impersonal thing

Your handling of scripture is atrocious.
Let's take this step by step. What was from the beginning and what beginning was John referring to?
 
Let's take this step by step. What was from the beginning and what beginning was John referring to?
Deal with the the point i raised

which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled

Are you going to say

They heard, saw, looked upon and handled an impersonal thing?
 
You won't find a verse where anyone is said to have "prayed" or said a "prayer" to Jesus or taught about praying to Jesus. The Bible is a Unitarian's book.
You have to ignore what constitutes prayer

and you have to ignore this as well

Revelation 5:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

In others word closed to the truth
 
Your point was clarified by the fact Peter is a rock too. It's not a dodge. It's completely related to the proper exegesis of the verse you were referring to.
Sorry you are dodging again

The point you are avoiding is Christ followed the Israelites in the desert

Hellopeter has nothing to do with this
 
I believe I was refering to the fact

1 John 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THAT which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) 3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

They did not see or handle or declare an impersonal thing

They saw, they handled Jesus Christ the son

Are you really that desperate that you would try to make the Christ you claim to love an impersonal thing

Your handling of scripture is atrocious.
and also @Runningman

in God's context His Word is not an IT... His Son is a Being... not an IT...

A gnostic was very adamant to me on a different forum that His Spirit is an IT
as well, and not a being. IT as concept is a evil realm entity for their "One" or "Mind" as head of their three hypostases,
since to the (pagan) Greeks Nous is a mind, knowledge, Reason, psuche (there are no individual souls in Greek pagan theology) ...
every use of psuche is always the 'carnal mind' or the "One" of the pagans. It was (accidentally?) made a synonym to soul or npsh,
since most do not realize there is only ONE soul in greek theology, which is their prime mover/One/Primary cause/Causality...

none of which terms are related to either God or to souls of Him. Psuche is not reflective of an eden soul, since it
has no 'body' and of course the soul and body God made in Eden are not ever to be separate once His Sons and daughters
are restored to eden paradise and, finally, Saved.... since that is the real meaning of Being Saved.
 
There are no examples of the word "pray" or "prayer" being used in conjunction with communicating to Jesus.

The Bible teaches to pray to God the Father. That's it.

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,

hallowed be Your name.

Before Jesus was taken to heaven, he taught his disciples to not ask him for anything because he isn't the one to pray to in Scripture.

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

Jesus taught to pray to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9. Before Jesus was taken to heaven, he gave instructions on prayer and said to not ask him for anything, but rather ask the Father in John 16:23. When they prayed to the Sovereign Lord and Creator in Acts 4:24-27 it wasn't to Jesus.

Imagine a book that only teaches about praying to the Father, but never to Jesus. Sounds like Jesus isn't God.


The man gave up His life for you. In a horribly painful way for you.

You don't think that the very least you could do would be to thank Him on a daily basis?

It is Jesus who keeps your name written in the Book of Life.

You don't think that the very least you could do would be to thank Him on a daily basis?

I am sure it is beneath you to praise Him.

But rest assured a thank you is a form of prayer... and surly you are not so partisan to take what He has done for you for granted. Or can you?

No examples in the bible????????????????????????????????????????????????????

The following counts

Pray To Jesus



John 14:13 ESV /

Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Acts 7:59 ESV /

And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

John 14:14 ESV /

If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Romans 10:13 ESV /

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

John 16:24 ESV /

Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

John 14:13-14 ESV /

Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Joel 2:32 ESV /

And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.

 
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I like this prayer to Jesus.

He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes (it is true). [Surely] I am coming quickly (swiftly, speedily). Amen (so let it be)! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!
Rev 22:20.
 
There are no examples of the word "pray" or "prayer" being used in conjunction with communicating to Jesus.

The Bible teaches to pray to God the Father. That's it.

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,

hallowed be Your name.

Before Jesus was taken to heaven, he taught his disciples to not ask him for anything because he isn't the one to pray to in Scripture.

John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

Jesus taught to pray to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9. Before Jesus was taken to heaven, he gave instructions on prayer and said to not ask him for anything, but rather ask the Father in John 16:23. When they prayed to the Sovereign Lord and Creator in Acts 4:24-27 it wasn't to Jesus.

Imagine a book that only teaches about praying to the Father, but never to Jesus. Sounds like Jesus isn't God.
Clear falsehood.

1 Corinthians 1:2 (LEB) — 2 to the church of God sanctified in Christ Jesus that is in Corinth, called to be saints, together with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, their Lord and ours.

2 Corinthians 12:8–10 (LEB) — 8 Three times I appealed to the Lord about this, that it would depart from me. 9 And he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, because the power is perfected in weakness.” Therefore rather I will boast most gladly in my weaknesses, in order that the power of Christ may reside in me. 10 Therefore I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in calamities, in persecutions and difficulties for the sake of Christ, for whenever I am weak, then I am strong.

Acts 7:59–60 (LEB) — 59 And they kept on stoning Stephen as he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 And falling to his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” And after he said this, he fell asleep.

1 John 5:13–15 (LEB) — 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life. 14 And this is the confidence that we have before him: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked from him.

John 14:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes in me, the works that I am doing he will do also, and he will do greater works than these because I am going to the Father. 13 And whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, in order that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.

Acts 1:24–25 (LEB) — 24 And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show clearly which one of these two you have chosen 25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to depart to his own place.”

based on theological bias, ignoring the meaning of both Lord and prayer
 
There are no examples of the word "pray" or "prayer" being used in conjunction with communicating to Jesus.

The Bible teaches to pray to God the Father. That's it.

Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,

hallowed be Your name.

Before Jesus was taken to heaven, he taught his disciples to not ask him for anything because he isn't the one to pray to in Scripture.

Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you.

Jesus taught to pray to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9. Before Jesus was taken to heaven, he gave instructions on prayer and said to not ask him for anything, but rather ask the Father in John 16:23. When they prayed to the Sovereign Lord and Creator in Acts 4:24-27 it wasn't to Jesus.

Imagine a book that only teaches about praying to the Father, but never to Jesus. Sounds like Jesus isn't God.
John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything.

What does this mean?
 
The theological reason is that prayer is talking to God. And if Jesus is, as the Scriptures present him, the one person who is truly God and truly human—-the second person of the Trinity now incarnate—-then how could praying to this Jesus be wrong in principle? TGC
 
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