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John 14:6 (UASV) — 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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John 14:6 (UASV) — 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me.
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civic
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praise_yeshua
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Yep. Words to the Son.
civic
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Yes no man can save another from their sin, only God can save a man from their sins.
This is how we know Christ is God our Savior and called that by both Peter and Paul in their epistles.
No apostle can save anyone
No prophet can save anyone
But God can save anyone and everyone from their sins- hence Scripture calls Christ God, Savior, God and Savior many times.
Psalm 49:7- No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him
the unitarians make the above Psalmist a liar and Gods word out to be a lie.
hope this helps !!!
Runningman
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Show me one example then.Right lots of times, not just once
Runningman
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You got the wrong idea. You just proved that God sent John the Baptist is a messenger. For your doctrine to hold any water, which it does not, then John the Baptist would have to become God. LoL you are all over the place. Since Jesus is also the one God sent and God's messenger, your trinity just got knocked on its rear. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Understand why Jesus is not God anymore than John is?
Sorry John the Baptist was his messenger there is but one
Your position was refuted
John states the glory of the Word was seen
Isaiah states the glory of jehovah was seen
The word is the only begotten of the father
Jesus is the only begotten
The word in flesh/Jesus was seen in the glory of Jehovah
Jesus is Jehovah
Give it up
Runningman
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I'll be in this thread until there is silence as I have already stated. It all comes back to the bottom line that there is no verse about describing Jesus as ever having been prayed to and there is no teaching about praying to Jesus in the Bible. Argue all you want, you can't debunk that. Let this sink in... there is no teaching in scripture to pray to the one you claim is God.
Sorry, you were refuted and multiple examples of Jesus being prayed to were given
Denying scripture and making unbiblical claims cannot change that truth
oh yeah you were told to honor the son as you honor the father
You do not do that, so you do not honor the father properly
Runningman
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Sorry, my OP has not been challenged or refuted. There are no words that use the words "pray" to described speaking to Jesus. There are none. No one taught anything about praying to Jesus in the Bible. I am 100% correct about this. You can argue about the word "Lord" being Jesus, sure, but I can also argue about the Lord being the Father just as easily. You have nothing concrete, nothing explicit. The Bible doesn't require what your religion commands. Think about it.
Here it is again from comment #1 to refresh what I said:
"Not much to comment on due to sheer lack of supporting verses. One may argue to the contrary, but there are no explicit examples where someone taught to pray to Jesus in the Bible. There are no examples of the word "pray" or "prayer" being used in conjunction with communicating to Jesus.
The Bible teaches to pray to God the Father. That's it.
Matthew 6
6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
9So then, this is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be Your name."
Clay
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This sounds like a prayer to Jesus to me.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints.
Revelation 22:20-21
Damien
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Pray To Jesus
John 14:13
Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,Acts 7:59
And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”Ephesians 5:20
Giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,John 14:14
If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”Revelation 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!Colossians 1:3
We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,Ephesians 3:14
For this reason I bow my knees before the Father,2 Corinthians 12:8
Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me.1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:Romans 10:13
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.Acts 7:60
And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.John 16:24
Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.John 5:23
That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Colossians 2:9
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,Ephesians 6:18
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.Acts 7:1-60
And the high priest said, “Are these things so?” And Stephen said: “Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.’ Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living. Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot's length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his offspring after him, though he had no child. ...John 16:23
In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you.John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.John 2:3
When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”Matthew 6:9
Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.Psalm 83:18
That they may know that you alone, whose name is the Lord, are the Most High over all the earth.1 John 1:3
That which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.Ephesians 5:19
Addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,1 Corinthians 16:22
If anyone has no love for the Lord, let him be accursed. Our Lord, come!Acts 7:54-60
Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him. Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. ...Acts 1:14
All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.John 14:13-14
Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.John 14:1-31 E
“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going.” Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” ...Luke 11:27-28
As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”Mark 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”Matthew 6:9-13
Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.Matthew 6:1-34
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”Matthew 3:17
And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”Matthew 3:16
And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.Joel 2:32
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’Isaiah 43:11
I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.Isaiah 42:8
I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.Genesis 22:11
But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
Adherent
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Since prayer is talking to God. And because Jesus is, as the Scriptures present him, the one person who is truly God and truly human—-the second person of the Trinity now incarnate—-then how could praying to this Jesus be wrong?
Runningman
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Hello sir, thank you for your question. while it's true that people did speak to Jesus in heaven, others spoke to other people in heaven, too, without that being considered a prayer. Please see Revelation 7:13,14 where John and an elder and heaven conversed. So you and I are conversing now and that isn't praying to one another. John and the elder spoke to and from heaven without it being prayer, too. So praying involves speaking but not all speaking is prayer.
I found it interesting that there are no verses that actually say Jesus was prayed to, yet on the subject of prayer there is actually just one teaching on prayer and it's to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9.
Runningman
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Hi Damien, welcome to the forum. Sorry, none of that actually mentions the word prayer when they spoke to Jesus or are an example of praying to Jesus. Please let me know if you see something different. I couldn't find anything.Pray To Jesus
John 14:13
Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Acts 7:59
And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
Ephesians 5:20
Giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
John 14:14
If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
Revelation 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
Colossians 1:3
We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
Ephesians 3:14
For this reason I bow my knees before the Father,
2 Corinthians 12:8
Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me.
1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:
Romans 10:13
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
Acts 7:60
And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
John 16:24
Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.
John 5:23
That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Colossians 2:9
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Ephesians 6:18
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,
Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 7:1-60
And the high priest said, “Are these things so?” And Stephen said: “Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran, and said to him, ‘Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.’ Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living. Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot's length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his offspring after him, though he had no child. ...
John 16:23
In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you.
John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
John 2:3
When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
Matthew 6:9
Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
Psalm 83:18
That they may know that you alone, whose name is the Lord, are the Most High over all the earth.
1 John 1:3
That which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Ephesians 5:19
Addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,
1 Corinthians 16:22
If anyone has no love for the Lord, let him be accursed. Our Lord, come!
Acts 7:54-60
Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him. Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. ...
Acts 1:14
All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
John 14:13-14
Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.
John 14:1-31 E
“Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And you know the way to where I am going.” Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” ...
Luke 11:27-28
As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Mark 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Matthew 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:9
And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
Matthew 14:33
And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Matthew 6:9-13
Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6:1-34
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”
Matthew 3:17
And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”
Matthew 3:16
And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
Matthew 2:11
And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
Joel 2:32
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls.
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Genesis 22:11
But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
Runningman
Well-known member
Can you prove that sounds like a prayer to John who wrote it? I think it doesn't sound like prayer to Jesus. Why do you think it does?
You simply frame your argument and deny what is offered as prayer
Revelation 5:8 (NASB 2020) — 8 When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
and the poetic way prayer is offered to the lamb
Runningman
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So the living creatures and elders got the prayers before the Lamb did? lol come on now. This is getting desperate on your part.
