Runningman
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Not according to Scripture. This proves that Jesus, the Son of Man, is not God because he was "approaching" the Ancient of Days.
Yes, indeed, this is a game, set, match in which you have had your religion debunked.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Yes, indeed, this is a game, set, match in which you have had your religion debunked.
civic
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yep
Runningman
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Page 30 and we have uncovered even more material to teach with that Jesus is never prayed to in Scripture.
You mean not according to your heresy.
New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis (NIDOTTE): His kingdom embraces all the powers of heaven and earth (4:35), yet never ending dominion is given to a human figure, whom all nations are to worship (7:13-14) (4:504, Theology of Daniel, J. Baldwin, Editor is Willem A. VanGemeren).
Runningman
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Very few people agree with you. I am actually giving you the common opinion among Trinitarians about the context here. The Son of Man isn't worshipped or prayed to anywhere in this context. You got the wayyyyy wrong idea. Study more.
civic
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Amen
Runningman
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You're the heretic and you will be judged for it unless you repent. You've been warned, but you don't care. I've stopped trying to help you out of your ditch long ago.
Thanks for making this so easy for me to refute your fakse jesus.
civic
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and no lexicon supports his view. that speaks volumes about believing in a wrong doctrine.
Runningman
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In case anyone missed it through all of @Fred's noise.
The one among the people the dominion was given is the son of man, not the Ancient of Days.
Now skip to the end of the chapter... the one they are serving is not God. They are serving the son of man.
The one among the people the dominion was given is the son of man, not the Ancient of Days.
Daniel 7
13“I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds of heaven
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
14And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.
there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.
14And to him was given dominion
and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages
should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one
that shall not be destroyed.
Now skip to the end of the chapter... the one they are serving is not God. They are serving the son of man.
Daniel 7
27And the kingdom and the dominion
and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven
shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High;
his kingdom shall be an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.’
A few important points here. Firstly, the son of man is never worshipped or prayed to as God in the context. Jesus and God are within vicinity of each other and clearly distinct one from the other. Two, this proves that the son of man (Jesus) is one from among the people, not God. Three, most translations and commentators affirm these points.Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT): The original meaning of the root was "to cleave [open]" or "divide in two." From this meaning was derived the idea of cultivating a field and ultimately of cultivating (i.e. working hard at) the worship of a deity, hence the idea of service or worship of a deity. (pelach, page 1059, #2940, Charles D. Isbell)
Runningman
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30 pages later and still nothing in Scripture about Jesus being prayed to.
...you are in denial.
Runningman
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Deal with the Scripture. Do I need to open a thread about this. I am not going to let you bury this great proof against the heresy of trinitarianism.
Pelach is used in Scripture.
Runningman
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Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
"14. A universal and never-ending dominion is given to him. The expressions in the first half of the verse resemble in part those used in Daniel 5:18-19 of Nebuchadnezzar. Serve does not necessarily mean worship: like the word which has the same meaning in Heb. (עבד), it may be used of obedience to either God (Daniel 3:12; Daniel 3:14 al.) or a human ruler (Daniel 7:27; and the Targ. of Jeremiah 27:6-8, &c.). With the second half of the verse comp. Daniel 2:44, and especially Daniel 4:3 b, 34 b (of the kingdom of God). All peoples, nations, &c., as Daniel 3:4."
