The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Runningman]

No it doesn't. You're just like every "kid" I've ever meet. You get hung and you start repeating yourself as if you didn't hear anything.

Again, passive voice in John 2:22. I'm calling check mate.

 

[civic]

Is this a prophecy? yes or no.

Matthew 12
39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 2
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Jesus said He would do something and He did exactly what He said He would do. Destroy this temple ( His Body ) and in 3 days I WILL Raise it up again.

conclusion: I believe Jesus words and you deny them making His words out to be an actual lie. I believe what He said is true, the Truth and He did what He said He would do and the disciples believed His words too as stated below in John 2:22


20They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

No it doesn't. You're just like every "kid" I've ever meet. You get hung and you start repeating yourself as if you didn't hear anything.

when I have time I am going to find more examples of the passive voice in the Bible and watch you chase your tail denying what it says. I'm also going to find more examples of people speaking a prophecy without themselves being the one who completed the prophecy, but I have work to do now. Be back later.

 

[mikesw]

I already quoted Jesus repeating Jonah's words.

to repeat Jonah's prophecy, you need verses from Jonah. Anyhow, your idea that Jesus was quoting Jonah has no basis in scripture and presents no argument against Christ Jesus' divinity in the Godhead. My guess is that you do not like that Jesus knew the period before his resurrection because you do not admit that Jesus is in control.

 

[mikesw]

You're at the point of inferring John is a liar because you are desperate to keep your idol. You've already floated the idea that Jesus is a sinner and false prophet because he didn't raise himself from the dead. Anyone else say anything in prophecy that they didn't literally do? Are they all lying?

I only reflect the implications and contradictions of the view you share. You have failed to show other prophecies where the prophet promised to do something and did not do it. That would not make sense in John 2:19 since Jesus did raise himself.

 

[mikesw]

The rest of the Bible doesn't mention a peep about Jesus resurrecting himself.

So you have admitted that Jesus is the one raising himself. Even if your point were true, that would not deny that Jesus said he would raise himself in John 2:19.

 

[civic]

John does not have to state that Jesus was active in his resurrection in John 2:22. This does not exclude Jesus raising himself from the grave. The passive verb does not say someone else raised him, so you have no argument anymore.

its a uni RED HERRING

 

[praise_yeshua]

Again, passive voice in John 2:22. I'm calling check mate.

This what Unitarians do. They shout "John 2:22".... "John 2:22" and "stop up their ears"...

Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

 

[praise_yeshua]

when I have time I am going to find more examples of the passive voice in the Bible and watch you chase your tail denying what it says. I'm also going to find more examples of people speaking a prophecy without themselves being the one who completed the prophecy, but I have work to do now. Be back later.

The fact you don't already know them proves you're a novice. This would show in a live debate.

 

[civic]

Again, passive voice in John 2:22. I'm calling check mate.

there cannot be a check mate when you are not even in the game or match to begin with lol. you are playing checkers while we are playing chess.

 

[synergy]

Then after that, the very same one who said "I will raise it again" ....

You finally admit that Jesus explicitly said that he "will raise it again"! Excellent! Now will you or will you not go on record that you believe Jesus, yes or no?

is said to not be the one who raised himself in John 2:22. Grammar basics 101, Bible 101. It's because Jesus gave a prophecy. Should be clear.

I have already proven that verse 22 can grammatically align itself with verse 19. It's not John's job to go around contradicting what Jesus clearly stated. To even think that is diabolical. You will sink to any level to desecrate Jesus' statements. That's satan's job, not yours.

 

[Duane]

No i am not.

That's the problem with being deceived is you don't know it when you believe something that is not true.

 

[civic]

That's the problem with being deceived is you don't know it when you believe something that is not true.

ditto

 

[Runningman]

to repeat Jonah's prophecy, you need verses from Jonah. Anyhow, your idea that Jesus was quoting Jonah has no basis in scripture and presents no argument against Christ Jesus' divinity in the Godhead. My guess is that you do not like that Jesus knew the period before his resurrection because you do not admit that Jesus is in control.

I only reflect the implications and contradictions of the view you share. You have failed to show other prophecies where the prophet promised to do something and did not do it. That would not make sense in John 2:19 since Jesus did raise himself.

So you have admitted that Jesus is the one raising himself. Even if your point were true, that would not deny that Jesus said he would raise himself in John 2:19.

No Jesus didn't raise himself from the dead. I told @praise_yeshua that I would look up other instances in which the passive voice is used in Scripture to clearly mean that the subject of the action is not the one doing the action. The same kind of grammatical structure is found in John 2:22, which is evidence that Jesus not did raise himself from the dead.

So to drive this point forward, I am going to post some other examples.

We'll start with some very easy ones that will be baffling if you try to argue your way out of them. I am not holding my breath though.

Question:
Jesus taught people need to comfort themselves when they mourn or that they will receive comfort from someone else (i.e., God)?

Matthew 5
4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

 

[Runningman]

This what Unitarians do. They shout "John 2:22".... "John 2:22" and "stop up their ears"...

Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

I pinged you in my response to mike. I am going to have a lot more examples than John 2:22 where the subject of the verb is not the doer of the verb because of the presence of the passive voice. Are you worried you're going to become a believer?

 

[Runningman]

That's the problem with being deceived is you don't know it when you believe something that is not true.

It's also the problem with the Dunning-Krueger effect. In case you didn't know, it means you may not know enough to know that you do not know that you have no idea what you're talking about. It causes people to overestimate their abilities or knowledge and display an inappropraite level of confidence while the real experts just raise their eyebrows at them and sometimes eat popcorn laughing. If one didn't know enough to know if they are a victim to their own ignorance, would you be aware?

 

[mikesw]

No Jesus didn't raise himself from the dead. I told @praise_yeshua that I would look up other instances in which the passive voice is used in Scripture to clearly mean that the subject of the action is not the one doing the action. The same kind of grammatical structure is found in John 2:22, which is evidence that Jesus not did raise himself from the dead.

So to drive this point forward, I am going to post some other examples.

We'll start with some very easy ones that will be baffling if you try to argue your way out of them. I am not holding my breath though.

Question:
Jesus taught people need to comfort themselves when they mourn or that they will receive comfort from someone else (i.e., God)?

Matthew 5
4Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

That is a good example of what I have shared. They are not told how or from whom that comfort comes. It is agnostic about the source. In a weak sense, that could be read as a natural consequence of mourning. It could be inferred to be God. This does nothing in your favor though where Jesus said he would raise this temple in 3 days. The bias within these verses is toward Jesus raising himself.

So do you wish to argue that Jesus lied in John 2:19 or recognize that Jesus raised himself?

 

[Runningman]

That is a good example of what I have shared. They are not told how or from whom that comfort comes. It is agnostic about the source. In a weak sense, that could be read as a natural consequence of mourning. It could be inferred to be God. This does nothing in your favor though where Jesus said he would raise this temple in 3 days. The bias within these verses is toward Jesus raising himself.

So do you wish to argue that Jesus lied in John 2:19 or recognize that Jesus raised himself?

Comforting yourself is not a Biblical doctrine, but leaning on God for comfort is. Same with Jesus resurrecting himself. Literally no one mentioned anything about this. I don't believe anyone lied in the Bible.

Next question. I am going to make it more difficult for you talk your way out of this one.

You have to give yourself salvation or God has to save you?

1 Cor. 1
18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

[mikesw]

Comforting yourself is not a Biblical doctrine, but leaning on God for comfort is. Same with Jesus resurrecting himself. Literally no one mentioned anything about this. I don't believe anyone lied in the Bible.

Jesus said he would raise the temple which is his body in three days. Do you think the fourth gospel was forgetful of that by verse 22?

Next question. I am going to make it more difficult for you talk your way out of this one.

You have to give yourself salvation or God has to save you?

1 Cor. 1
18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Jesus has to save us. It is his blood sacrificed for our sin. I hope you know that much.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus said he would raise the temple which is his body in three days. Do you think the fourth gospel was forgetful of that by verse 22?


Jesus has to save us. It is his blood sacrificed for our sin. I hope you know that much.

So you have confessed that the passive voice is used to describe the subject receiving an action or being acted upon. Since I had to get you in a corner to make you agree, now what are you going to do about John 2:22 speaking of Jesus' resurrection in the passive voice? Ready to drop the spirit of pride?