The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[mikesw]

But there is the Father calling the Son God. And who would know better then the Father???????

It is consistently ignored or denied.

Right. The hyper-literalist reading is neglecting obvious passages about Jesus the Son of God due to the bias against his divinity in the Godhead. It is also the bias that says "where does the Bible mention 'Trinity' ."

 

[civic]

I think I have been correct in noting that the unitarian misses nuances in scripture. More specifically we have been seeing a hyper-literalist reading of scripture. When it is constantly asked where is the verse that says Jesus is God, that would appear to be an indicator of someone who reads scripture in this hyper-literalist fashion. Of course, as Civic pointed out, there is no verse that says the Father is God. This helps to show that the unitarian is not truly consistent in the interpretation process but is only on a track of denying the divinity of Christ Jesus in the Godhead.

bingo !!!

 

[Runningman]

Here is your chance not only to admit being wrong but also to repent and accept Christ Jesus in his divinity within the Trinity.

I have been wrong about noting concerning this subject. I have refuted the trinity 7 ways to Sunday for months now.

 

[Runningman]

In John 2:19, he said he will raise the temple which is his body. Did he raise himself from death? You either agree or you call Jesus a liar. Simple logic for most of us.

Again, John 2:22 is in the passive voice, not the active voice. So John didn't recall Jesus as having resurrected himself. What Jesus had said before about raising the temple was a prophecy, not something he did. Which is why no one in the Bible ever talked about Jesus resurrecting himself after that. Everyone said God raised Jesus from the dead or directly named God to be the Father who did the raising.

 

[Runningman]

Deceived...for sure.

No i am not.

 

[mikesw]

Again, John 2:22 is in the passive voice, not the active voice. So John didn't recall Jesus as having resurrected himself. What Jesus had said before about raising the temple was a prophecy, not something he did. Which is why no one in the Bible ever talked about Jesus resurrecting himself after that. Everyone said God raised Jesus from the dead or directly named God to be the Father who did the raising.

In John 2:19, he said he will raise the temple which is his body. Did he raise himself from death? You either agree or you call Jesus a liar. Simple logic for most of us. You do not need verse 22 to answer this question.

 

[mikesw]

I have been wrong about noting concerning this subject. I have refuted the trinity 7 ways to Sunday for months now.

Whom have you convinced by the arguments you are so proud of?

 

[Runningman]

In John 2:19, he said he will raise the temple which is his body. Did he raise himself from death? You either agree or you call Jesus a liar. Simple logic for most of us.

After that, Jesus didn't raise himself. Jesus was raised from the dead by someone external himself. Bible says the Father raised, or God, but never is the Son raising Jesus something mentioned from Genesis to Revelation. How did you miss this? Well, you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Scripture, quite frankly. You got Trinitarian blinders on. So you can't have Jesus resurrecting himself when there is no proof of that from the Bible. Do you feel ready to believe Scripture yet?

 

[Runningman]

Whom have you convinced by the arguments you are so proud of?

I'm objective enough to know when I have refuted something. I have refuted Jesus resurrecting himself pers John 2:19-22, for example.

 

[civic]

After that, Jesus didn't raise himself. Jesus was raised from the dead by someone external himself. Bible says the Father raised, or God, but never is the Son raising Jesus something mentioned from Genesis to Revelation. How did you miss this? Well, you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Scripture, quite frankly. You got Trinitarian blinders on. So you can't have Jesus resurrecting himself when there is no proof of that from the Bible. Do you feel ready to believe Scripture yet?

Then Jesus lied and we know that’s impossible so your view is incorrect

 

[Runningman]

Then Jesus lied and we know that’s impossible so your view is incorrect

It's not surprising that you require Jesus be a liar to keep your falsehoods alive. Did you ever consider the Father told Jesus to say that? Jesus didn't make up any of his teachings and sayings. So when Jesus spoke of his resurrection, he wasn't making a claim to resurrecting himself. Again, I keep telling mike the same thing, but John 2:22 refers to Jesus being the subject who received a resurrections, but not the person who did the resurrection.

 

[civic]

It's not surprising that you require Jesus be a liar to keep your falsehoods alive. Did you ever consider the Father told Jesus to say that? Jesus didn't make up any of his teachings and sayings. So when Jesus spoke of his resurrection, he wasn't making a claim to resurrecting himself. Again, I keep telling mike the same thing, but John 2:22 refers to Jesus being the subject who received a resurrections, but not the person who did the resurrection.

no thats your requirement not mine you are projecting your false christ who is not God onto me.

 

[mikesw]

After that, Jesus didn't raise himself. Jesus was raised from the dead by someone external himself. Bible says the Father raised, or God, but never is the Son raising Jesus something mentioned from Genesis to Revelation. How did you miss this? Well, you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Scripture, quite frankly. You got Trinitarian blinders on. So you can't have Jesus resurrecting himself when there is no proof of that from the Bible. Do you feel ready to believe Scripture yet?

So can I assume you find Jesus lying in John 2:19? Is that your final answer?

 

[mikesw]

I'm objective enough to know when I have refuted something. I have refuted Jesus resurrecting himself pers John 2:19-22, for example.

Uh. Objectivity implies that there is expectancy that others will confirm it. How have you determined that you are objective?

 

[Runningman]

no thats your requirement not mine you are projecting your false christ who is not God onto me.

You seem to only believe the Bible when you can make it bow down to your idol. What about the fact no one in the Bible says Jesus raised himself?

 

[Runningman]

So can I assume you find Jesus lying in John 2:19? Is that your final answer?

Huh. No idea what you're talking about. In John 2:19 Jesus said that because of this:

John 12
49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

 

[Runningman]

Uh. Objectivity implies that there is expectancy that others will confirm it. How have you determined that you are objective?

You've confirmed that John 2:22 is in the passive voice and not the active voice. You've confirmed you understand what this means.

 

[mikesw]

You've confirmed that John 2:22 is in the passive voice and not the active voice. You've confirmed you understand what this means.

So i can mark you as having said Jesus lied.

 

[mikesw]

Huh. No idea what you're talking about. In John 2:19 Jesus said that because of this:

John 12
49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

you had to go to a later unrelated passage to hide the option that Jesus lied under your theory.

 

[civic]

You seem to only believe the Bible when you can make it bow down to your idol. What about the fact no one in the Bible says Jesus raised himself?

Wow calling Jesus an idol that’s blasphemy