MTMattie
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And me
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Runningman
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Keep digging.
Can you explain why the messenger (gr-Angelos) of YHWH is called the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and identified as God multiple times?
Runningman
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Nonsense. The son of man, which God is not (Numbers 23:19) came to God.
Daniel 7
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
MTMattie
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You didn't for if you did you would know in Genesis there were 3. Spirit, Word, and Jehovah.
One God , three persons.
THAT ONE UP THERE THAT YOU ARE CALLING ME A HERETIC OVER IS THE ONE WHO CALLED HIS SON GOD.
GET OVER IT
Neil Spargo
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The doctrine of the Trinity finds support in the Old Testament in the Hebrew concept of plurality in unity:
Deuteronomy 6:4 is a verse that seems, at first, to wholly negate the doctrine of the Trinity: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” (Interestingly, the singular Yahweh is coupled with the plural Elohim in this verse.) The word translated “one” is ehad, which means “one” or “unity”; however, the word is also used in other contexts to suggest a plurality within unity. For example, the word ehad also appears in Genesis 2:24, which considers two persons as one: “[A man] is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one [ehad]” (NLT). Obviously, the husband and wife are distinct persons, but they are called “one”—there is diversity within the unity.
GOT?
Deuteronomy 6:4 is a verse that seems, at first, to wholly negate the doctrine of the Trinity: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” (Interestingly, the singular Yahweh is coupled with the plural Elohim in this verse.) The word translated “one” is ehad, which means “one” or “unity”; however, the word is also used in other contexts to suggest a plurality within unity. For example, the word ehad also appears in Genesis 2:24, which considers two persons as one: “[A man] is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one [ehad]” (NLT). Obviously, the husband and wife are distinct persons, but they are called “one”—there is diversity within the unity.
GOT?
Runningman
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So you believe Jesus is a heretic?Don't need an "A" game or high IQ when it comes to replying to your posts. Make that no effort and no talent needed also.
Welcome to your Non-trinitarian faith groups that reject the Trinity.
9 Faith Groups That Deny the Trinity Doctrine
The Trinity doctrine is central to most Christian denominations even though the term is not in the Bible. Non-trinitarian faiths reject the doctrine.www.learnreligions.com
Runningman
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Seems the Bible won't reach you. I propose an experiment. Would you be willing to pray to your god and it to prove it? At the same time, I will also pray to my God. I'll begin in advance. Thanks.
Neil Spargo
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Who is the Angel of the Lord?
In various passages, the angel of the Lord speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and exercises the responsibilities of God. In several of these appearances, those who saw the angel of the Lord feared for their lives because they had “seen God” (Judges 13:22; cf. Judges 6:22). Therefore, we can say that, in at least some instances, the angel of the Lord is a theophany, an appearance of God in physical form.
It is possible that appearances of the angel of the Lord represent the Son of God taking on temporary human form—a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it makes sense that He would be active and could manifest in the world. Whatever the case, whether the angel of the Lord was a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ (a Christophany) or an appearance of God the Father (a theophany), it is likely that “the angel of the Lord” was, in most cases, a physical appearance of God.
Runningman
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Nonsense. The angel of the Lord and the Lord spoke to each other. They are not the same person.
Zechariah 1
12Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years? 13And and comfortable words. 14So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Crthe LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good wordsy thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. 15And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction. 16Therefore thus saith the LORD; I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: my house shall be built in it, saith the LORD of hosts, and a line shall be stretched forth upon Jerusalem. 17Cry yet, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; and the LORD shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem.
MTMattie
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I think you might. Though I am not sure you even know what a heretic is.
Runningman
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I don't believe Jesus is a heretic. We have yet to have an answer from you,.
MTMattie
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I do not have a god with a small g.
So NO.
Besides... you know we heretics are not so much for praying as we are for inspiration and what the written word says that is NOT misinterpreted by you. I do not have to prove anything to you for I have right on my side, and you are clueless. GOD the Father called Jesus His Son God.
Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
If you cannot understand this then you need to move on.
MTMattie
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You have had all the answer I am going to give today.
You know where I stand.
If you have forgotten IDC.
One can only survive Snake pit for a while before they become the definition of insanity. You know doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome.... You have mastered that. I am done for now
Neil Spargo
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Makes good sense:
a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it makes sense that He would be active and could manifest in the world.
Runningman
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Or the angel of the LORD is not the LORD sine every other last time the LORD spoke to someone they were not the LORD.
Runningman
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No answer about whether Jesus is a heretic or not from you This question will stand for eternity. We have nothing else you talk about until you answer.
Your latest actions exposes your modus operandi in that even though you despise the HU, you're willing to use it to sow discord amongst believers. That's satan's job. Who needs satan with people like you around.
Where is this "soft underbelly" you're talking about? There is no "soft underbelly" anywhere in the HU explanation. In fact, it is quite brilliant with much insight into how the spiritual and the physiological uniquely subsist within Christ.
As for the Trinity, you've spent countless hours desperately trying to find any kink in Jesus' Deity and you've always failed miserably to do so. Every single verse you've presented are clearly Trinitarian. In fact, they are many that you had to walk back on (run away from) such as Rev 3:21, Phil 2:6, Eph 6:5, Col 3:22, and many many more that you yourself presented!
Matthew does.Where did anyone address Jesus as Immanuel?
Duane
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Or your statement is way off track.
