The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Dean]

The New Testament makes some astonishing statements about Jesus and creation.

Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together Col 1:15–17

There is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist 1 Cor 8:6

Jesus is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power . . . But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever . . .” And, “you, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands” Heb 1:3, 8, 10

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made . . . John 1:1–3

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, John 1:14

 

[Runningman]

The New Testament makes some astonishing statements about Jesus and creation.

Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together Col 1:15–17

There is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist 1 Cor 8:6

Jesus is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power . . . But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever . . .” And, “you, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands” Heb 1:3, 8, 10

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made . . . John 1:1–3

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, John 1:14

How is that when Jesus was created?

John 1
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Colossians 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Revelation 3
14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

 

[Dean]

Easy, it's called the hypostatic union. A Christian theological term that describes Jesus Christ as both fully human and fully divine in one person. The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same ...

 

[Runningman]

Easy, it's called the hypostatic union. A Christian theological term that describes Jesus Christ as both fully human and fully divine in one person. The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same ...

If Jesus Christ is both fully human and fully divine in one person then these are simply two sides of the same coin and cannot be separated. Therefore, someone painting a picture of Jesus Christ or making a sculpture of Jesus Christ would, in effect, be contrary to Acts 17:29. Therefore, God is not a human and a human is not God. Hypostatic union has been debunked.

Acts 17
29“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.

 

[Dean]

If Jesus Christ is both fully human and fully divine in one person then these are simply two sides of the same coin and cannot be separated. Therefore, someone painting a picture of Jesus Christ or making a sculpture of Jesus Christ would, in effect, be contrary to Acts 17:29. Therefore, God is not a human and a human is not God. Hypostatic union has been debunked.

Acts 17
29“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.

Weak, that's all you got? The Hypostatic union does not have a thing do do with idols. You didn't debunk a thing.

If our own likeness and being cannot be contained in a statue, neither can God's. But Let's not forget the doctrine of the incarnation of Christ. The one that teaches and supports that Jesus, the Son of God, took on human flesh.

He became one of us, but He never sinned.

Then there is the proof that "The Trinity" has existed eternally. Scripture records that all three of the persons of God were involved in creation.

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth…And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface” (Genesis 1:1-2).

“In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God…He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn’t make…So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us” (John 1:1-3,14).

“Then God said, ‘Let us make people in our image’” (Genesis 1:26).

 

[Runningman]

Weak, that's all you got? The Hypostatic union does not have a thing do do with idols. You didn't debunk a thing.

If our own likeness and being cannot be contained in a statue, neither can God's. But Let's not forget the doctrine of the incarnation of Christ. The one that teaches and supports that Jesus, the Son of God, took on human flesh.

He became one of us, but He never sinned.

Then there is the proof that "The Trinity" has existed eternally. Scripture records that all three of the persons of God were involved in creation.

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth…And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface” (Genesis 1:1-2).

“In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God…He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn’t make…So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us” (John 1:1-3,14).

“Then God said, ‘Let us make people in our image’” (Genesis 1:26).

In the hypostatic union, Jesus is both fully God and fully man, correct? Then the man Jesus is also God. That means that God is a man contrary to Scripture. Additionally, making an image of God is blasphemy. Since Jesus is still a man then making a picture would be equal to making a picture of God. It's total nonsense on your part, poor study, and poor scholarship. This is called idolatry. It's damnable, but forgivable.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Exodus 20
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

 

[Neil Spargo]

In the hypostatic union, Jesus is both fully God and fully man, correct? Then the man Jesus is also God. That means that God is a man contrary to Scripture. Additionally, making an image of God is blasphemy. Since Jesus is still a man then making a picture would be equal to making a picture of God. It's total nonsense on your part, poor study, and poor scholarship. This is called idolatry. It's damnable, but forgivable.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Exodus 20
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Not even close and no cigar

 

[synergy]

Notice there is no mention of an incarnation here.

If God (the Word) becoming flesh and dwelling along us is not the Incarnation then pray tell what is it?

 

[Runningman]

Not even close and no cigar

Reads like a low effort, low IQ, no talent answer against Scripture. Come back when you're on your A game. Welcome to the forum by the way.

 

[TomL]

Jesus is fully God and fully man according to the hypostatic union. These two sides are inseparable from one another in your philosophy.

Nothing I stated is contrary to what Civic stated

 

[TomL]

You're ignoring Scripture.

God is not a man:

1. “God is not a man” – Numbers 23:19
2. “For I am God, and not man,” – Hosea 11:9

Newsflash when that was written God was not a man

Hello

Do better

 

[TomL]

Neither Jesus nor Adam are God according to Scripture.

Sorry you failed to address scripture which showed otherwise

ohn 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 1:3 (LEB) — 3 who is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power. When he had made purification for sins through him, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Hebrews 1:8 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.

Hebrews 1:10 (LEB) — 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands;

Isaiah 9:6 (LEB) — 6 For a child has been born for us; a son has been given to us. And the dominion will be on his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

and they are hardly random as all have to do with Christ's deity

 

[TomL]

You have serious comprehension problems. I never said otherwise

He is reading his thoughts into your comments

 

[MTMattie]

Not even close and no cigar

 

[TomL]

Not even close and no cigar

He seems to have a time problem

 

[TomL]

his claim was clearly refuted as I exposed his ignorance on the topic and revealed his projecting, misrepresentation and twisting of my words just like he does with the scriptures.

He has a penchant for ignoring scripture which does not fit his view

 

[Neil Spargo]

Reads like a low effort, low IQ, no talent answer against Scripture. Come back when you're on your A game. Welcome to the forum by the way.

Don't need an "A" game or high IQ when it comes to replying to your posts. Make that no effort and no talent needed also.

Welcome to your Non-trinitarian faith groups that reject the Trinity.

9 Faith Groups That Deny the Trinity Doctrine

The Trinity doctrine is central to most Christian denominations even though the term is not in the Bible. Non-trinitarian faiths reject the doctrine.

www.learnreligions.com

 

[MTMattie]

Neither Jesus nor Adam are God according to Scripture.

There you go. Calling God a liar again.

 

[MTMattie]

Jesus is fully God and fully man according to the hypostatic union. These two sides are inseparable from one another in your philosophy.

Did a spirit get Mary pregnant?

 

[Runningman]

There you go. Calling God a liar again.

You're calling God a liar, heretic. He said he is the only God. Ever read the OT?