The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

MTMattie said:
You still are indicating YOU believe the Father lied in Hebrews 1:8

John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” PSSSSST... Hint...That is why the Jews were going to stone him to death.

Ill ignore John 1 because you already have said it does not say what it says

Lets see what else I can post quickly... Oh yea, In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38).

Final question: Do YOU believe Jesus is needed for salvation?
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yes it makes 100's of passages in scripture a lie.
 
Runningman said:
That has its place in context, but as a stand alone passage, no it's not it. Are you one of those "once saved always saved" types and you get to sin as much as you like without ever repenting?

Romans 2
5But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
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I'm sorry buddy. That letter was not written about me. It figures you would build your doctrine on facing life with a stubborn and unrepentant heart.
 
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MTMattie said:
YOU JUST ADMITTED God the Son, Jesus Christ, yet remained fully God at the same time.

I..... claim the rules as proof... PROOF YOU provided.
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Funny that runningman posts the hypostatic union as if that definition should help his argument. Is he shocked that God would do this? So are we, but this is what scripture reveals of God's love for us. If only I could find a verse ... lol.
Is there supposed to be some philosophical reason to deny God's ability to interact with humanity in this fashion? I cannot explain how God did this neither can I find a reason why God could not have done this.
 
mikesw said:
It sounds like this other religion is a works-oriented, condemning religion where the Son of God is only sort of a figurehead with no distinction from other people
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yes no different than any other prophet just a man who somehow managed to be sinless lol.
 
Runningman said:
The alleged "OT theophanies" don't differentiate between members of your godhead so you can't prove the trinity using that either.
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The Father has never been seen. Only God (Jesus) who is at the Father's side, has made him known through his very presence during both OT times (Theophanies) and NT times.

(John 1:18) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known. (ESV).
 
Runningman said:
I already answered this with what the Bible says. I know your heart. You aren't asking me questions because you agree with anything I say, you're asking me questions so you can find more openings to attack me. Why should I let you lead where you want to go and answer how you want me to answer? You're just trying to put me in the exact position you want me so you can have your way. No need to help you by completing your assignments. That's why I don't like you as a human being. The rest of the guys here are fine. They keep it civilized and discussions stay in the territory of Biblical disagreement and that's it. You take it to the next level by saying I am hallucinating and other slander.
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Huh? It's you who lead us to Eph 6:5 and Col 3:22. You are the one who put us in that position. Why lead us to those verses if you're just going to end up running away from them? You're behaving just like a weasel. That's exactly how heretics behave.
 
Here's a paper on the divinity of Christ in the Didache from around 80CE
www.academia.edu

Didache and Trinity: Proto-Trinitarianism in an Early Christian Community

The Didache is an early Christian Jewish record from the apostolic period and a crucial document in the attempt to understand not only the praxis, but also the theology of nascent Christian Judaism. It's nascent proto-Trinitarianism is
www.academia.edu

Hopefully the link works for you all. I have only read the start of it.
 
mikesw said:
Here's a paper on the divinity of Christ in the Didache from around 80CE
www.academia.edu

Didache and Trinity: Proto-Trinitarianism in an Early Christian Community

The Didache is an early Christian Jewish record from the apostolic period and a crucial document in the attempt to understand not only the praxis, but also the theology of nascent Christian Judaism. It's nascent proto-Trinitarianism is
www.academia.edu

Hopefully the link works for you all. I have only read the start of it.
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Thanks, Ill look into it tomorrow.
 
Runningman said:
Jesus is a god man in trinitarianism, therefore he can't be the Divine Being. The Divine Being cannot be an image made by human design and skill. Stop arguing and accept that you have turned Jesus into an idol and need to repent. (Acts 17:29)
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And in the bible which shows he is both God and man

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 1:3 (LEB) — 3 who is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power. When he had made purification for sins through him, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Hebrews 1:8 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.

Hebrews 1:10 (LEB) — 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands;

Isaiah 9:6 (LEB) — 6 For a child has been born for us; a son has been given to us. And the dominion will be on his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

etc
 
Runningman said:
Can humans, using their skill, design something that looks like Jesus Christ?

If Jesus Christ is both fully human and fully divine in one person then these are simply two sides of the same coin and cannot be separated. Therefore, someone painting a picture of Jesus Christ or making a sculpture of Jesus Christ would, in effect, be contrary to Acts 17:29. Therefore, God is not a human and a human is not God.

Acts 17
29“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.
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Um, the Holy Spirit, not a human, caused Christ's birth.
 

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