Runningman
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Please show the verse where Jesus actually raised his body up. I am happy you asked because it doesn't exist.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Runningman
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Please provide the Guide Book from scripture that says how to interpret trinitarianism. Jesus nor anyone else provided this.
Runningman
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So since the Bible says Jesus is a man and the hypostatic union says Jesus is fully God and fully man, then he hasn't seen the Father. There's a contradiction in you theology. To prove it, please provide the verse where Jesus said he saw the Father.
civic
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nope He said He is the only one who has seen the Father.
you really don't know your bible let alone Jesus teachings.
next fallacy
Jesus said no man has ever heard the Fathers voice nor seen Him.
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known
John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen,
John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
1 Tim 6:13-16
I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time — God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
1 John 4:12
12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
next fallacy .
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Runningman
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Drop the arrogance because it's really your biggest inhibitor. Jesus, nor anyone else, ever said he had seen the Father. Did you consider that seeing is used in the sense of knowing?
John 14 KJV
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
you are losing brownie points.
that verse was shown that he would do that. You have selective memory or very bad memory.
John 2:19 (ESV)
19Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
Either you missed this verse or you call Jesus a liar.
You have run out of arguments. I'm not surprised.
Ok. Where did they see the Father? How did they come to know him? I doubt that you somehow could have a respectable answer.
Runningman
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That is a cop out and you didn't address the Biblical point.
Runningman
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I made many arguments already and you didn't engage my previous one. You have a lot of praying to to do tonight. Do you ever confess your sins?
you did not have a point against the divinity of Christ Jesus in the Godhead. You just listed a bunch of quotes or points of prophets.
You are expecting that we need something beyond the testimony of scripture? You have not overcome the testimony of scripture when creating your false doctrine. All your so-called arguments are more just preferences and eisegetical analysis.
We saw in one discussion where Jesus said he would raise himself in 3 days. This was also the Father's action and the Holy Spirit's. The three persons of the Trinity get credit for the same action. Perhaps you wish to call Jesus a liar or you cannot comprehend scripture.
uh. show me where they were also given the name through prophecy of Immanuel while being born of a virgin. You are not even addressing a concept related to that point about Immanuel.
dwight92070
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Fact Check: You asked me, "When is the last time you read the Bible?", which is mockery, so don't tell me you didn't mock me.
Yes, God did not give an order to build buildings and call them churches. Nor did He teach that we must meet in homes, but you claimed He did.
Nor did He ever say, nor does the Bible teach that if we call a building a church, that is antichrist - but you also claimed that.
I do believe that the Bible is clear that the church is NOT a building - we are a "living spiritual organism", so to speak, the universal body of Christ. But the Bible nowhere forbids us to meet in a building or teaches us that we must meet in homes. Churches have met on the beach, in parks, in schools, in shopping centers, in several outdoor venues, as well as in buildings, some of which have been called churches - but technically they are not the church. I agree with you that homes are the ideal place for the church to meet. My family and I have been part of a homechurch for 24 years and I have no desire to go back to traditional "churches" meeting in a "church" building. But it's wrong to label them "antiChrist". It's also wrong to say that the Bible TEACHES us to meet in homes - no it doesn't. Granted, there are many references to home churches in scripture, but that is not a command or a teaching of the Lord.
Yes, God did not give an order to build buildings and call them churches. Nor did He teach that we must meet in homes, but you claimed He did.
Nor did He ever say, nor does the Bible teach that if we call a building a church, that is antichrist - but you also claimed that.
I do believe that the Bible is clear that the church is NOT a building - we are a "living spiritual organism", so to speak, the universal body of Christ. But the Bible nowhere forbids us to meet in a building or teaches us that we must meet in homes. Churches have met on the beach, in parks, in schools, in shopping centers, in several outdoor venues, as well as in buildings, some of which have been called churches - but technically they are not the church. I agree with you that homes are the ideal place for the church to meet. My family and I have been part of a homechurch for 24 years and I have no desire to go back to traditional "churches" meeting in a "church" building. But it's wrong to label them "antiChrist". It's also wrong to say that the Bible TEACHES us to meet in homes - no it doesn't. Granted, there are many references to home churches in scripture, but that is not a command or a teaching of the Lord.
Why don't you begin with the present situation where you lead us to Eph 6:5 and Col 3:22 and now you're taking issue with me asking you questions about Eph 6:5 and Col 3:22? You're behaving just like a weasel. That's exactly how heretics behave.
My overall mission is to stop all judaizing ideas, originating from any source, from spreading and infecting other Christians who come here in good faith to learn about Christianity. It's your heretical judaizing ideas that destroy the faith of Christians.
DavidTree
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Correct
Only the LORD Jesus Christ has the FATHERS Name.
Only the LORD Jesus Christ gives eternal life to whom HE wills.
Only the LORD Jesus Christ can pray on your behalf to the FATHER for forgiveness of your sins.
Only the LORD Jesus Christ can pray to the FATHER on your behalf that you may receive the HOLY SPIRIT.
Only the LORD Jesus Christ is the RESURRECTION
DavidTree
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Asking you when was the last time you read the Bible is the love of God = SHALOM
When people ask me questions concerning the scriptures and/or what I read or know, i REJOICE.
Dwell on the Temple and why God had it built by Solomon and why God said there was to be only ONE Temple and only in Jerusalem.
Dwell on why the LORD Jesus Christ had both Temples destroyed.
Dwell on Acts.
SHALOM
Nonsense
You are ignoring scripture
John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 1:3 (LEB) — 3 who is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power. When he had made purification for sins through him, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Hebrews 1:8 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:10 (LEB) — 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands;
Isaiah 9:6 (LEB) — 6 For a child has been born for us; a son has been given to us. And the dominion will be on his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
and they are hardly random as all have to do with Christ's deity
