The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[mikesw]

Can humans, using their skill, design something that looks like Jesus Christ?

If Jesus Christ is both fully human and fully divine in one person then these are simply two sides of the same coin and cannot be separated. Therefore, someone painting a picture of Jesus Christ or making a sculpture of Jesus Christ would, in effect, be contrary to Acts 17:29. Therefore, God is not a human and a human is not God.

Acts 17
29“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill.

You really take that passage another step backwards from before. It would hardly matter if someone had made an image of Christ Jesus. To make your point even worse, nobody would have made and image of Jesus since that was not common to do in the first century.

 

[DavidTree]

So God raised God from the dead? That doesn't sound like how God talks. It is not repeated in the Bible and sounds like how you people talk and not how God talks. The Scripture always refers to God and other people like Jesus in plain language.

ALL THREE are ONE

What the FATHER does so does the SON and the POWER of GOD is the HOLY SPIRIT = John 5:19 , 5 :20-23 , 10:17-18 ,

So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it.
For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father

 

[Runningman]

sure you can since Jesus said no man has seen the Father or heard His voice in the OT.

next fallacy-

So God doesn't exist? How far do you want to take it?

 

[Runningman]

That calls into question your reading and understanding of the Bible.

Matt 1: 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

This calls into question your reading comprehension and objectivity. I am sure we can agree that names mean something, but do names mean that person is the very definition of their name? If so, please provide proof about all of the other people in the Bible whose names refer to God that they are not themselves God.

 

[Runningman]

You think the man Jesus is sitting up in heaven on the Father's right hand?

Question.

What do you say Jesus' name was before He was born?

You know the Bible Mattie. Doesn't it say that Jesus was a human, died a human, was resurrected, a human, and taken to heaven as a human? I hope you aren't one of those who things Jesus abandoned his body mid-flight and left it floating in outer space, somewhere, to still be discovered.

 

[mikesw]

This calls into question your reading comprehension and objectivity. I am sure we can agree that names mean something, but do names mean that person is the very definition of their name? If so, please provide proof about all of the other people in the Bible whose names refer to God that they are not themselves God.

A normal intelligent student of scripture would recognize this additional name of Jesus along with his virgin birth indicates his Father is God and thus Jesus' divinity in the Godhead.

 

[Runningman]

You still are indicating YOU believe the Father lied in Hebrews 1:8

John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” PSSSSST... Hint...That is why the Jews were going to stone him to death.

Ill ignore John 1 because you already have said it does not say what it says

Lets see what else I can post quickly... Oh yea, In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38).

Final question: Do YOU believe Jesus is needed for salvation?

Ah, this is your misunderstanding of the Bible. You'll see it soon if I ask you the correct questions. So in Hebrews 1:8 it quotes Psalm 45:6 correct? Okay, read the whole chapter of Psalm 45 and see if it's about Jesus. He doesn't have a queen or a wife to lust after does he? On top of that, elohim in Psalm 45:6 applies to humans many times in Scripture. I really hope that helps get you to the bottom of why Jesus is never called YHWH in the Bible.

 

[Runningman]

YOU JUST ADMITTED God the Son, Jesus Christ, yet remained fully God at the same time.

I..... claim the rules as proof... PROOF YOU provided.

A quote from Got Questions is not an admission on my part about something I agree with. do you know what a quote is?

 

[Runningman]

The ambiguity of these three involved in the resurrection is explained by God's revelation as his Triune essence.

No verses about Jesus raising himself from the dead and no verses about the Holy Spirit raising Jesus from the dead. The Spirit of God is the Father's Spirit. Do you have a spirit?

 

[Runningman]

I'm sorry buddy. That letter was not written about me. It figures you would build your doctrine on facing life with a stubborn and unrepentant heart.

I can't even provide you one verse written to Christians to help you understand? I recall something recently where I showed you a verse that you said was written to pagans and you rejected it as non-applicable to you as someone who views themselves as a Christian. It seems you're just stalling. What do you believe exactly and which denomination are you in?

 

[Runningman]

Fully God and fully man

Well you already contradicted @civic about that.

 

[mikesw]

No verses about Jesus raising himself from the dead and no verses about the Holy Spirit raising Jesus from the dead. The Spirit of God is the Father's Spirit. Do you have a spirit?

You completely ignore the discussion. Jesus said he would raise his body up. But you must be saying he lied when he said that.
My spirit is alive by virtue of God's Spirit in me.

 

[Runningman]

And in the bible which shows he is both God and man

John 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (LEB) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Titus 2:13 (LEB) — 13 looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (LEB) — 1 Simeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith equal in value to ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 1:3 (LEB) — 3 who is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power. When he had made purification for sins through him, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Hebrews 1:8 (LEB) — 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.

Hebrews 1:10 (LEB) — 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands;

Isaiah 9:6 (LEB) — 6 For a child has been born for us; a son has been given to us. And the dominion will be on his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

etc

You're verse padding. It's like trying to overwhelm the conversation, throwing random things at the wall, hoping something sticks when that isn't a complete picture of Scripture. Do you want to know who God is?

 

[mikesw]

I can't even provide you one verse written to Christians to help you understand? I recall something recently where I showed you a verse that you said was written to pagans and you rejected it as non-applicable to you as someone who views themselves as a Christian. It seems you're just stalling. What do you believe exactly and which denomination are you in?

You misapply passages because you either deny their meaning or you do not understanding their meaning and context.

 

[Runningman]

Um, the Holy Spirit, not a human, caused Christ's birth.

So is Jesus the Holy Spirit in your belief? Who is Jesus? Fully God and fully human right?

 

[Runningman]

ALL THREE are ONE

What the FATHER does so does the SON and the POWER of GOD is the HOLY SPIRIT = John 5:19 , 5 :20-23 , 10:17-18 ,

So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it.
For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father

And others get raised from the dead, too, in the resurrection. Jesus was clear about his authority that he received from God to do this.

John 17
2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

 

[civic]

So God doesn't exist? How far do you want to take it?

Jesus said no man has seen the Father or heard His voice.

So we know YHWH was seen and heard in the OT and Jesus said it was not the Father.

hear is a clue

it was the SON who is the unitarian stumbling block.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Well you already contradicted @civic about that.

nope we agree you just don't understand the trinity or deity of Christ- we do.

 

[Runningman]

Huh? It's you who lead us to Eph 6:5 and Col 3:22. You are the one who put us in that position. Why lead us to those verses if you're just going to end up running away from them? You're behaving just like a weasel. That's exactly how heretics behave.

Where to begin. I think the biggest issue I had with you was when you literally attempted to convert me to Islam. I excused the rest before that, but after that you seemed to have changed positions and said I am hallucinating about the Bible. I think your overall mission is to destroy the faith of Christians.

 

[Runningman]

A normal intelligent student of scripture would recognize this additional name of Jesus along with his virgin birth indicates his Father is God and thus Jesus' divinity in the Godhead.

What about these people? Are they God or suddenly is Jesus God out of the blue without any rhyme or reason?

Abijah: "my father is YHWH"
Adonijah: "YHWH is the Lord"
Hezekiah: "YHWH strengthens"
Isaiah: "YHWH is salvation"
Jedediah: "friend of YHWH"
Jehu: "YHWH is He"
Jeremiah (Jeremy): "YHWH will raise"
Joel: "YHWH is God"
Jonathan: "YHWH has given"
Joseph: "YHWH shall increase"
Josiah: "YHWH saves"
Matityahu (Matthew): "gift of YHWH"
Micah/Micaiah: "who is like YHWH?"
Nehemiah: "YHWH comforts"
Obadiah: "servant of YHWH"
Toviyahu (Tobias): "the goodness of YHWH"
Uriah: "YHWH is my light"
Uzziah: "YHWH is my strength"
Yeho'ezer (Yoʼezer): "YHWH is my help"
Yehoshua (Joshua)/Yeshua (Jesus): "YHWH will save"
Yohanan (John): "graced by YHWH" or "YHWH is gracious"
Zechariah (Zachary): "YHWH has remembered"
Zephaniah: "hidden by YHWH"